DColeKC wrote: ↑Fri Nov 11, 2022 8:43 am
phuqueue wrote: ↑Thu Nov 10, 2022 9:26 pm
Man you're really sticking to your guns even after this post aged like fine milk
DColeKC wrote: ↑Sat Oct 22, 2022 10:18 am
Glad to see the shift back to normalcy regarding this PC culture and wokeism in various ways lately. Governor races in solid blue states are close and in risk of being flipped red. Late night talk shows ratings are in the trash as people tire of the constant Trump jokes and PC hosts. People standing up to push back on this gender identity stuff that has gotten out of hand.
Definitely a shift happening and even “liberals” seem to be fed up with things.
With all of the other things Dems had to work against -- a midterm election (party in power typically loses dozens of seats), the low popularity of the Dem president (unpopular presidents typically lose more dozens of seats than popular ones, go figure), inflation running at the highest level in decades, successful gerrymandering in various red states and unsuccessful gerrymandering in places like New York (New York's map might be the single biggest reason the GOP is still likely to take the House), popular perception of a crime wave (largely false, but that doesn't matter as long as people believe it), and on and on -- we are supposed to believe that, actually, the only reason they didn't blow the GOP out is that people are tired of "wokeism." Very interesting, very persuasive.
Maybe you missed it but it’s more likely you ignored it. I said the republicans messed this up. With all the disadvantages the democrats face and the fact we are not in a good spot at all, democrats held far more seats than predicted.
I frankly could care less if what I say is persuasive or not. If I wanted to sway votes I’d not do it on a development forum that 10 people interact on.
Listen, I know you’re woke and firmly in the liberal elite category so I don’t expect you to admit that wokeism is declining. Thankfully there are articles all over the place from liberal leaning media that discuss this.
The biggest reasons the GOP didn’t have this red wave they wanted were bad candidates, poor messaging and Trump. While they may have gained back some control this election was still not a victory for the GOP.
You say lots of things, and they aren't necessarily internally consistent. You did say all that other stuff, but you also said: "The fact Democrats don't have complete and utter control goes to show millions of Americans are sick of them and their woke policies," so I'm responding to this postmortem you are offering in which, although your forecast was completely wrong, your reasoning was nonetheless somehow completely sound. I just don't really see any strong evidence that anybody not mainlining Murdoch-owned media actually cares at all about "woke policies." Granted, a very large number of people
are mainlining Murdoch-owned media, so I don't mean to imply that it's a negligible population, but very few of those people were ever going to entertain voting for Democrats in the first place, so they aren't really worth discussing in this particular conversation. It's easy to blame Trump or bad candidates or poor messaging or whatever else, but what exactly do you think was bad about the candidates? What do you think Trump did to blow the election? How do you characterize the GOP's message? Cuz I'm not really seeing how those questions are answered in a way that also squares with "but also, everyone is thinking about 'wokeism' as much as DCole is and they hate it just as much as he does."
DColeKC wrote: ↑Fri Nov 11, 2022 12:38 pm
Highlander wrote: ↑Fri Nov 11, 2022 12:25 pm
aknowledgeableperson wrote: ↑Fri Nov 11, 2022 11:25 am
You seem to confuse whatever the success of Asian Americans and Black Americans may have in this country and an apparent lack of racism. Another way to look at it they succeeded in spite of the racism that is in this country. There are people who promote White Replacement Theory (which to me is just another way to say White Nationalism) on prime time television, in politics, and in other forums. Obama was President and quite a few of his opponents hated him not because of politics but because he was a "Black" President.
True. It's like saying because Jewish people were prosperous in Germany prior to 1935, there was no anti-Semitism. Anti-Semitism was rife in Germany long before Hitler took power. He just tapped into that emotion.
Those that think American blacks are the lucky ones are forgetting that Africa may have progressed on an entirely different trajectory had it not been for European colonization and exploitation and slavery.
I didn't say Black Americans are the lucky ones, but it's undeniable that in comparison to other countries in this world, they are the best off in this country. I'm not sure what the point of playing the "what if" game, especially going back hundreds of years. Had it not been for African blacks enlisting their own into slavery, maybe slavery wouldn't have ever happened? Oh wait, all races at some point enslaved their own people but we seem to forget that too.
This is a faulty comparison. Even accepting, for the sake of argument, that black people are better off in America than in any other country, the measure of racism in America would still be how they compare to other racial groups within America, now how they compare to their own racial group in other countries. But that comparison would definitely not support your argument, which is presumably why you went with this irrelevant cross-country comparison instead.