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then what is thinking it is remotely possible? Magical thinking?
Any outdoor stadium from before ATL are out dated in design and size.Cratedigger wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 7:20 amHas been referenced many times by both the Royals ownership group and Populous. The concepts from ATL have relevance
It's not rocket science but it's nearly as complicated. The many opinions and the fact there is no one size fits all option make it so.daGOAT wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 10:24 am The Crossroads location is very unlikely. East Village isn’t nearly as isolated as people make it out to be, and is connected by transit + better access to the freeway. Even North Loop is a more ideal location; and would be infinitely more urban. Also we have no chance of the Wrigleyville vibe because that area is connected by L and Metra plus busy bus lines on Clark and Addison, not too mention it is next to the densest part of the city. Besides if the city knows how to grow incrementally frfr than P&L and Crossroads will be fine and feel very connected to East Village, while simultaneously preventing any more pointless demolitions. It’s not rocket science people.
You had me until that last line.DColeKC wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 10:36 amIt's not rocket science but it's nearly as complicated. The many opinions and the fact there is no one size fits all option make it so.daGOAT wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 10:24 am The Crossroads location is very unlikely. East Village isn’t nearly as isolated as people make it out to be, and is connected by transit + better access to the freeway. Even North Loop is a more ideal location; and would be infinitely more urban. Also we have no chance of the Wrigleyville vibe because that area is connected by L and Metra plus busy bus lines on Clark and Addison, not too mention it is next to the densest part of the city. Besides if the city knows how to grow incrementally frfr than P&L and Crossroads will be fine and feel very connected to East Village, while simultaneously preventing any more pointless demolitions. It’s not rocket science people.
You have people who want it downtown but don't want it in their neighborhood. You have people that don't care about the stadium but just want to remove surface lots. You have people who just want to watch baseball and don't care about surrounding development. and on and on and on.
You have the people behind the decisions who obviously care about the revenue side of things and want the best location that ensures the best opportunity to generate revenue.
Bottomline is anywhere downtown is an improvement over TSC for baseball.
Good point. I know I bring up the view but it’s not near the top of the priority list. I just mention is because a few folks on here don’t think it’s relevant at all. I agree we should be striving for perfection and do something special. Delegations from cities all across America visit downtown KC and specifically PNL when their cities are considering similar projects. We should hope this new downtown ballpark sees the same respect and is held as an example of amazing downtown baseball.shinatoo wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 12:00 pmYou had me until that last line.DColeKC wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 10:36 amIt's not rocket science but it's nearly as complicated. The many opinions and the fact there is no one size fits all option make it so.daGOAT wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 10:24 am The Crossroads location is very unlikely. East Village isn’t nearly as isolated as people make it out to be, and is connected by transit + better access to the freeway. Even North Loop is a more ideal location; and would be infinitely more urban. Also we have no chance of the Wrigleyville vibe because that area is connected by L and Metra plus busy bus lines on Clark and Addison, not too mention it is next to the densest part of the city. Besides if the city knows how to grow incrementally frfr than P&L and Crossroads will be fine and feel very connected to East Village, while simultaneously preventing any more pointless demolitions. It’s not rocket science people.
You have people who want it downtown but don't want it in their neighborhood. You have people that don't care about the stadium but just want to remove surface lots. You have people who just want to watch baseball and don't care about surrounding development. and on and on and on.
You have the people behind the decisions who obviously care about the revenue side of things and want the best location that ensures the best opportunity to generate revenue.
Bottomline is anywhere downtown is an improvement over TSC for baseball.
For most of us with a relationship with Kauffman, that support a move downtown, feel that whatever happens with a new stadium better be as close to perfect as possible. Great accessibility (both walking and by car from the suburbs), great architecture, superb amenities and lastly great views. I put great views last because the design of the stadium, on a small lot, may negate the need for a skyline view.
If the stadium is like Globe Life or Target field, or Yankee Stadium, or in some ways Truist Field, it will essentially be a bowl and the view won't matter as much. If it's like Kauffman it will matter a lot.
If a view is your number one with a bullet priority then put in where that ballfieds are in Penn Valley park. It will be considered the best view in baseball day one and will never be beat.
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Exactly. And if they are going with nearly a AAA sized stadium (under 30k) then it's very likely that the outfield will have wide open views. I still think the IRS complex is the best spot. It would give you some pretty amazing views, but be close to everything downtown/Crown center, but also be in a location that won't harm downtown. It would help justify making union statin more of a transit hub etc. I know that location (nor anything in PVP) is not an option, but it would be pretty amazing.shinatoo wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 12:00 pmYou had me until that last line.DColeKC wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 10:36 amIt's not rocket science but it's nearly as complicated. The many opinions and the fact there is no one size fits all option make it so.daGOAT wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 10:24 am The Crossroads location is very unlikely. East Village isn’t nearly as isolated as people make it out to be, and is connected by transit + better access to the freeway. Even North Loop is a more ideal location; and would be infinitely more urban. Also we have no chance of the Wrigleyville vibe because that area is connected by L and Metra plus busy bus lines on Clark and Addison, not too mention it is next to the densest part of the city. Besides if the city knows how to grow incrementally frfr than P&L and Crossroads will be fine and feel very connected to East Village, while simultaneously preventing any more pointless demolitions. It’s not rocket science people.
You have people who want it downtown but don't want it in their neighborhood. You have people that don't care about the stadium but just want to remove surface lots. You have people who just want to watch baseball and don't care about surrounding development. and on and on and on.
You have the people behind the decisions who obviously care about the revenue side of things and want the best location that ensures the best opportunity to generate revenue.
Bottomline is anywhere downtown is an improvement over TSC for baseball.
For most of us with a relationship with Kauffman, that support a move downtown, feel that whatever happens with a new stadium better be as close to perfect as possible. Great accessibility (both walking and by car from the suburbs), great architecture, superb amenities and lastly great views. I put great views last because the design of the stadium, on a small lot, may negate the need for a skyline view.
If the stadium is like Globe Life or Target field, or Yankee Stadium, or in some ways Truist Field, it will essentially be a bowl and the view won't matter as much. If it's like Kauffman it will matter a lot.
If a view is your number one with a bullet priority then put in where that ballfieds are in Penn Valley park. It will be considered the best view in baseball day one and will never be beat.
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Yes, but putting it in an area bounded by two freeways and a massive print facility isn't going to make for a successful result either.
it doesnt fitAlkaliAxel wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 1:04 pm DCole, is there some specific reason the Royals aren't considering the Jail Site? Seems like that's the one everyone can behind.
I measured a bunch of stadiums last night on Google Maps and it could fit with the NE, E, or SE orientation. To get a northward orientation it would be cutting it real close or require decking over that part of the highway for pedestrians. Whole thing assumes jail & state building are removed and Interstate Building(s) removed or integrated with stadium. Long lines building would remain.
There is also a historic church you would need to deal with. 130 years old and I assume it's listed.KCDowntown wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 1:53 pmI measured a bunch of stadiums last night on Google Maps and it could fit with the NE, E, or SE orientation. To get a northward orientation it would be cutting it real close or require decking over that part of the highway for pedestrians. Whole thing assumes jail & state building are removed and Interstate Building(s) removed or integrated with stadium. Long lines building would remain.
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Yeah, the church wouldn't be affected.KCPowercat wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 2:10 pm I think the church could be avoided. No doubt it's very tight but it can fit.