3rd & Grand to be redeveloped as TOD
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^Yeah, this does seem like a case for an exception. I don't understand the height restriction, this isn't a flight path to downtown airport is it?
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FAA powers are broad and annoying
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Yes. I've run into them on projects over near the Blue River/Manchester... which is AFAIK near no airports. Their application process is impossible.
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The Developer did everything asked of them. They had signed letters of support and then were denied based on a new set of parameters. I mean, what do you want from them? You can't keep moving goal posts on developers and expect them to keep trying
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^Yeah like I said this should be an exception but there probably should be a requirement added to process for TOD locations to have broader public engagement if wanting 25 year abatement. Also, this one was submitted well before the incentives requirement changes right? So should be granted. Mayor Q should step in on this one.
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yea, i agree that the only reason this should be allowed full 25 yrs is b/c it is grandfathered and b/c of site difficulties/prioritization by city. Otherwise, need to follow current requirements. Reducing the term of abatements overall is a good idea.
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If you all didn't know, there is a TOTAL MESS of utilities at this site. You name it, it's underground here. And it's absolutely the truth the city showed up with the bike lane requirement at the last minute and forced the developer to figure out how to shift the entire site plan east to accommodate the connection the new Grand bike/ped bridge (which exists only because of the riverfront streetcar extension).
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Did we not know the utilities were down there when the plan to develop this lot was decided and the developer agreed?
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Only what the streetcar uncovered and mapped in the 3rd & Grand intersection.KCPowercat wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 2:36 pm Did we not know the utilities were down there when the plan to develop this lot was decided and the developer agreed?
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I feel for the developer but they were also fully aware of the site then. Seems like a few tweaks can get this done.
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From a couple experiences in downtown, it isn't uncommon for the city to not know exact underground utility locations.
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This is back on the PIEA agenda for the month (June 23rd). We'll see what happens here.normalthings wrote: ↑Thu Apr 21, 2022 10:28 am PIEA voted no. Think this passed all requirements in place when they applied
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Per Collison, looks like incentives request has been approved 9-4Chris Stritzel wrote: ↑Fri Jun 17, 2022 5:55 pmThis is back on the PIEA agenda for the month (June 23rd). We'll see what happens here.normalthings wrote: ↑Thu Apr 21, 2022 10:28 am PIEA voted no. Think this passed all requirements in place when they applied
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@CitySceneKC wrote: UPDATE: PIEA board reconsiders Third and Grand plan, approves incentive package on 9-4 vote. 25-year abatement, 10 yrs, 75%, 15 yrs, 37.5 %. Major change will guarantee 40% work to prevailing wage (union) contractors.
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shocking I thought all development ever in KC was dead and the city was killing everything?
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^Yeah it always felt like something would be worked out or minds would change. And maybe Q got engaged.
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I back what I said a couple weeks ago, you were right. But see this is why you’re one of fav follows on hereKCPowercat wrote: ↑Thu Jun 23, 2022 11:53 am shocking I thought all development ever in KC was dead and the city was killing everything?
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Is this still latest rendering?
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I mean, it’s definitely not where it has been, and other groups are gaining influence that have following enough to kill projects. This is a great victory though!KCPowercat wrote: ↑Thu Jun 23, 2022 11:53 am shocking I thought all development ever in KC was dead and the city was killing everything?