Ahh that’s it. Thanks for the correction.DaveKCMO wrote: ↑Sat Jun 13, 2020 10:10 amThere's no CID for the Country Club Plaza. There is a 1/2-cent sales tax TDD that built and maintains several of the newer parking garages.WoodDraw wrote: ↑Thu Jun 11, 2020 5:08 pm Doesn't the plaza have a cid tax that pays for parking and flowers and what not?
I don't get why the plaza would be very lucrative to sell off with the bowl zoning requirements. What developer wants to buy a place you can't build on? You're just a landlord at this point.
https://www.kcmo.gov/home/showdocument?id=1333
Agreed on the bowl restriction affecting the Plaza's value.
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This has been posted on LoopNet before, although I do see the date created as 7/5/20, so maybe they just re-listed it. Listing do sometimes appear and disappear off LoopNet in a seemingly arbitrary fashion.
Things seemed to be pointing toward this project moving forward. I had assumed that since the previous posting disappeared, it had been sold, or a new partner was brought in and that is when the design was changed and scaled up. I believe it was scheduled to be on an upcoming CPC Docket. I did see it was put out for bids on the Dodge construction site a while back.
It is interesting that they are using the old renderings on this listing.
Things seemed to be pointing toward this project moving forward. I had assumed that since the previous posting disappeared, it had been sold, or a new partner was brought in and that is when the design was changed and scaled up. I believe it was scheduled to be on an upcoming CPC Docket. I did see it was put out for bids on the Dodge construction site a while back.
It is interesting that they are using the old renderings on this listing.
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Now that you mention it, this listing looks like it is for project investors and not selling the project outright which is what the previous listings advertised.KCtoBrooklyn wrote: ↑Mon Jul 06, 2020 6:41 pm This has been posted on LoopNet before, although I do see the date created as 7/5/20, so maybe they just re-listed it. Listing do sometimes appear and disappear off LoopNet in a seemingly arbitrary fashion.
Things seemed to be pointing toward this project moving forward. I had assumed that since the previous posting disappeared, it had been sold, or a new partner was brought in and that is when the design was changed and scaled up. I believe it was scheduled to be on an upcoming CPC Docket. I did see it was put out for bids on the Dodge construction site a while back.
It is interesting that they are using the old renderings on this listing.
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Holiday Inn Country Club Plaza to permanently close July 15, 2020. Structure likely to be demolished by new owners.normalthings wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 10:34 pmA pad for a qsr or a pad for a mid/high rise?jasty5 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 9:21 pm Couldn’t find if there was a specific thread so I’m adding here. I am hearing that the holiday inn property is being sold and is in a 30-day due diligence period. The buyer is connected to Americo Life Insurance, same partner as the Waddell & Reed and Reverb projects. I am hearing they want to put 250 apartments and 250 hotel rooms on the site in a few different 8 story towers, plus a pad for a future development.
The proposal sounds similar to Allé
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I can confirm the hotel is closing.Link2 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:06 pmHoliday Inn Country Club Plaza to permanently close July 15, 2020. Structure likely to be demolished by new owners.normalthings wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 10:34 pmA pad for a qsr or a pad for a mid/high rise?jasty5 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 9:21 pm Couldn’t find if there was a specific thread so I’m adding here. I am hearing that the holiday inn property is being sold and is in a 30-day due diligence period. The buyer is connected to Americo Life Insurance, same partner as the Waddell & Reed and Reverb projects. I am hearing they want to put 250 apartments and 250 hotel rooms on the site in a few different 8 story towers, plus a pad for a future development.
The proposal sounds similar to Allé
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Just heard this as well. Building is coming down
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No utility disconnects or demolition permits yet.
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Kevin Collison is reported that Kimpton is dropping out of the redevelopment of the Holiday Inn.
https://cityscenekc.com/kimpton-wins-ci ... 1-opening/
https://cityscenekc.com/kimpton-wins-ci ... 1-opening/
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KC EDC stated that no one has expressed interest in redevelopment for the site, at least one with incentivesFangKC wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 5:56 pm Kevin Collison is reported that Klimpton is dropping out of the redevelopment of the Holiday Inn.
https://cityscenekc.com/kimpton-wins-ci ... 1-opening/
The Holiday Inn is not taking reservations past next week (I tried).
Why close the hotel and pay for a bulldozing if you aren't going to redevelop anytime soon?
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kansas citynormalthings wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 6:54 pmWhy close the hotel and pay for a bulldozing if you aren't going to redevelop anytime soon?
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No one would confirm to Kevin the details that were posted here.
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it probably costs the same to tear the building down and mow an empty lot as the carrying costs of maintaining itnormalthings wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 6:54 pm
Why close the hotel and pay for a bulldozing if you aren't going to redevelop anytime soon?
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The Dylan was to be on the CPC Docket for 7/21, but it has been continued "to allow the applicant to hold a Public Engagement meeting prior to CPC hearing the case."KCtoBrooklyn wrote: ↑Mon Jul 06, 2020 6:41 pm This has been posted on LoopNet before, although I do see the date created as 7/5/20, so maybe they just re-listed it. Listing do sometimes appear and disappear off LoopNet in a seemingly arbitrary fashion.
Things seemed to be pointing toward this project moving forward. I had assumed that since the previous posting disappeared, it had been sold, or a new partner was brought in and that is when the design was changed and scaled up. I believe it was scheduled to be on an upcoming CPC Docket. I did see it was put out for bids on the Dodge construction site a while back.
It is interesting that they are using the old renderings on this listing.
It sounds like they are still planning on moving forward.
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The Plaza may get an Amazon 4Star store in the old Tesla spot...
https://www.bizjournals.com/kansascity/ ... plaza.html
https://www.amazon.com/amazon-4-star/b/ ... 7988552011
Downtown needs this more than Plaza. And Plaza could use an Amazon Go grocery.
https://www.bizjournals.com/kansascity/ ... plaza.html
https://www.amazon.com/amazon-4-star/b/ ... 7988552011
Downtown needs this more than Plaza. And Plaza could use an Amazon Go grocery.
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The Plaza area already has an Amazon grocery store. It's called Whole Foods. They're not going to compete with themselves by opening a second grocery store 4 blocks away.earthling wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 3:22 pm The Plaza may get an Amazon 4Star store in the old Tesla spot...
https://www.amazon.com/amazon-4-star/b/ ... 7988552011
Downtown needs this more than Plaza. And Plaza could use an Amazon Go grocery.
But opening a non-food store in proximity makes sense. It probably will share senior management, deliveries and the like.
Amazon is doing this in St. Louis. Whole foods and a 4 star 5 blocks apart (opposite sides of 40 hwy)
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Amazon has a few Go stores very close to Whole Foods in Seattle, some only 3-5 blocks. UMKC WF is not within walking distance for Plaza visitors and most residence but understand those who live at suburban scale think it's in proximity. The Go store is a mini store with lower cost items that would hardly compete.
Plaza proper needs a small market with basic goods as it often had in the past (like Go type products). And/or a small CVS/Walgreens type store.
And downtown needs basic goods that Amazon 4Star carries, more than Plaza does.
Plaza proper needs a small market with basic goods as it often had in the past (like Go type products). And/or a small CVS/Walgreens type store.
And downtown needs basic goods that Amazon 4Star carries, more than Plaza does.
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^was going to say visit the northwest sometime, Whole Foods and Amazon Go can operate as distinctly different venues. No different than just a few years ago when Gap and Banana Republic existed side by side.
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There’s 8 drug stores nearby with basic goods, including one ~3 blocks off the plaza
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^And none easily accessible from pedestrian perspective. There needs to be one within Plaza proper as there used to be. Not just for residents but also shoppers and hotel visitors. I walk to nearest drugstore often when staying at hotel within cities. Most every major urban leaning tourist center has a drug store merged within... Michigan Ave has many, Vegas strip, 5th Ave, etc. But you live in car dependent suburbia so understand why you are baffled.