For sure. Four seems optimal under the current set up.
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For sure. Four seems optimal under the current set up.
A 2017 survey found that 76 percent of the riders were metro residents and 24 percent visitors. Of those local riders, 38 percent lived downtown and almost half of them used the streetcar to get to their jobs.
Within the downtown transportation development district created to provide local funding for the streetcar, sales tax receipts have increased from $4 million in 2013 to a projected $6.5 million in 2019, a 60 percent increase. The line runs 2.2 miles between Union Station and the River Market.
KC Streetcar #805 is expected to be ready for passengers in early summer.
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I would guess that they have 4.6 track miles (versus actual linear miles, which is where KC's 2.2 comes in). We have something like 4.4 track miles and I believe our project cost was about $106M.KC_JAYHAWK wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2019 10:16 am So a buddy of mine that lives in OKC said they are already expanding their 4.6 mile initial line and have ordered 2 more streetcars. I don't understand why our extensions are taking forever to materialize. Also their main 4.6 mile line cost $136M or so? Seems our 2.2 mile line cost at least that much and to expand to the Plaza is around $300M. Is it primarily due to topography?
Firstly, you're not comparing apples to oranges. Count track miles since theirs in a single track in a loop and ours is a back and forth + track to the service building for bothKC_JAYHAWK wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2019 10:16 am So a buddy of mine that lives in OKC said they are already expanding their 4.6 mile initial line and have ordered 2 more streetcars. I don't understand why our extensions are taking forever to materialize. Also their main 4.6 mile line cost $136M or so? Seems our 2.2 mile line cost at least that much and to expand to the Plaza is around $300M. Is it primarily due to topography?
Not without significant changes in how traffic moves along the alignment.flyingember wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2019 10:22 am I could see running five or six at the absolute busiest times like Big 12. I can see how this can't be sustained full time but having a plan to run more at the biggest events makes sense to me.
Similarly, Milwaukee is expanding their line soon after the initial roll out.KC_JAYHAWK wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2019 10:16 am So a buddy of mine that lives in OKC said they are already expanding their 4.6 mile initial line and have ordered 2 more streetcars. I don't understand why our extensions are taking forever to materialize. Also their main 4.6 mile line cost $136M or so? Seems our 2.2 mile line cost at least that much and to expand to the Plaza is around $300M. Is it primarily due to topography?
I picture having no car zones during the biggest events if that many need to be run. At some point there will be enough people coming downtown that the streetcar will be the preferred choice to having long lines of cars that make people lateDaveKCMO wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2019 10:47 amNot without significant changes in how traffic moves along the alignment.flyingember wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2019 10:22 am I could see running five or six at the absolute busiest times like Big 12. I can see how this can't be sustained full time but having a plan to run more at the biggest events makes sense to me.
Are higher maximum frequencies a benefit of center running?DaveKCMO wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2019 10:47 amNot without significant changes in how traffic moves along the alignment.flyingember wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2019 10:22 am I could see running five or six at the absolute busiest times like Big 12. I can see how this can't be sustained full time but having a plan to run more at the biggest events makes sense to me.
That would help, but downtown we see people blocking the box and track placement won't fix that.normalthings wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2019 11:16 amAre higher maximum frequencies a benefit of center running?DaveKCMO wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2019 10:47 amNot without significant changes in how traffic moves along the alignment.flyingember wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2019 10:22 am I could see running five or six at the absolute busiest times like Big 12. I can see how this can't be sustained full time but having a plan to run more at the biggest events makes sense to me.
Think they had both phases approved at once.KC_JAYHAWK wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2019 10:16 am So a buddy of mine that lives in OKC said they are already expanding their 4.6 mile initial line and have ordered 2 more streetcars. I don't understand why our extensions are taking forever to materialize. Also their main 4.6 mile line cost $136M or so? Seems our 2.2 mile line cost at least that much and to expand to the Plaza is around $300M. Is it primarily due to topography?
Don't forget we voted down our initial, larger expansion. We would probably be close to riding that if it had passed.grovester wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2019 10:48 amSimilarly, Milwaukee is expanding their line soon after the initial roll out.KC_JAYHAWK wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2019 10:16 am So a buddy of mine that lives in OKC said they are already expanding their 4.6 mile initial line and have ordered 2 more streetcars. I don't understand why our extensions are taking forever to materialize. Also their main 4.6 mile line cost $136M or so? Seems our 2.2 mile line cost at least that much and to expand to the Plaza is around $300M. Is it primarily due to topography?
Yup. Voting in 2014 would put us at opening those three extensions this year, with federal funding assured by the Obama administration. Prospect MAX would have openEd sooner, too.kboish wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2019 4:50 pmDon't forget we voted down our initial, larger expansion. We would probably be close to riding that if it had passed.grovester wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2019 10:48 amSimilarly, Milwaukee is expanding their line soon after the initial roll out.KC_JAYHAWK wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2019 10:16 am So a buddy of mine that lives in OKC said they are already expanding their 4.6 mile initial line and have ordered 2 more streetcars. I don't understand why our extensions are taking forever to materialize. Also their main 4.6 mile line cost $136M or so? Seems our 2.2 mile line cost at least that much and to expand to the Plaza is around $300M. Is it primarily due to topography?