aknowledgeableperson wrote:Funny that you keep harping on how witnesses aren't reliable, could just be repeating what they've heard elsewhere, etc, and then you cite an interview done a month after the event to discredit their contemporary comments. But hey, whatever works, right?
Just points out how unreliable they are no matter when they talk. Anyway, one interview was just a few days after, not a month after.
One witness spoke to Fox 2′s Shirley Washington on August 12.
Yeah, and the one that was a few days after has the interviewee unequivocally repeating that "he threw his hands up and started screaming OK OK OK OK OK." The one that says he "could not tell" if Brown was surrendering or preparing to rush Wilson took place
a month later. And, because there were two construction workers and neither offered his name, it isn't at all clear whether the latter is the same person as the former, or which one was recorded at the scene stating emphatically that "he had his fucking hands up." It's possible that all three are the same person, or that the recording and the Sept interview are the same person, and that the very phenomenon you are so wary of -- witnesses being influenced by the media narrative -- affected his story a month later, except not in the way that you would love to prove it has affected the other witnesses. Or it's possible that the recording and Aug interview were the same guy, and the Sept interview was the other guy, and his story actually never changed, and then we can only speculate on why he couldn't tell about what seems to have been clear to the other guy, such as that he was watching from a different angle, or something was partially obstructing his view, or whatever. Inconsistency in eyewitness statements is not new, we've already been over it again and again in this thread.
Anyway, I guess you choose to ignore what all of the witnesses have established so far. Which is what I harp on.
But his account does little to clarify perhaps the most critical moment of the confrontation, on which members of the grand jury in St. Louis County may focus to determine whether the officer was justified in using lethal force: whether Brown moved toward Wilson just before the fatal shots, and if he did, how aggressively.
At least one witness has said Brown was not moving. Others didn’t mention him moving, while still others have said he was heading toward Wilson.
And we've been over
this, too. None of the witnesses unequivocally say that Brown was clearly moving toward Wilson. From my own old post: "even some of the publicly identified witnesses you've disparaged have noted that Brown 'moved toward' Wilson, but that he appeared to be stumbling forward after being hit, not rushing at Wilson." Whether he was "moving toward Wilson" doesn't, on its own, mean anything at all. What sort of intent (
and capability) he had
as he moved toward Wilson, if in fact he did, is what matters. Nobody who was verifiably present except for Wilson himself has claimed that Brown was moving toward him in an aggressive way. Some witnesses saw a stumble and others didn't, which is reasonable enough considering different vantage points and distances from which they each viewed the shooting.
chaglang wrote:im2kull wrote:About that convenience store robbery...
I keep forgetting that he deserved it. Thanks for reminding me.
It feels like such an ad hominem -- and just general bad board etiquette -- to simply call somebody a fascist in lieu of direct response, but is there really any other way to answer kull's garbage posts in this thread? Maybe fascist isn't even strong enough. For fifty bucks worth of cigars, even Saudi Arabia would only take your hands.