You really need to stop commenting until after you've read through the building documents and watched the videos. They're pretty damning. If the HOA is doing what they appear to be doing people are probably going to be going to jail. Whether that's by way of the building collapsing by neglect (Like the Surfside disaster) or for financial crimes.. I'm pretty sure you can't lie and manipulate for the purpose of gaining funds.KCPowercat wrote: βWed Jan 17, 2024 5:07 pm Take this internal resident vs HOA drama to your next meeting, this is silly on here. There is nothing crimsl about moving more funds to your reserve fund jfc
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If we had threads about every HOA drama, that's all this site would be. You obviously have ulterior motives here and that's why I don't think it's appropriate.
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A buildings survival being threatened isn't "just another HOA drama". It's a significant, appalling occurrence. Especially since it's the former Mercantile Bank Building, an extremely architecturally important 20 story high-rise in Kansas City on the national historic register. This forum was built around like minded people caring and sharing about situations like this.KCPowercat wrote: βWed Jan 17, 2024 7:53 pm If we had threads about every HOA drama, that's all this site would be. You obviously have ulterior motives here and that's why I don't think it's appropriate.
I shouldn't have to tell you that, as you've been here about as long as I have been. I'm sure we had what.. 80 plus pages about the old Hanna Rubber Company bungalow in 2003?
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The temp got down to -16. It appears the freeze point wasn't -13 after all.im2kull wrote: βSat Jan 13, 2024 5:10 am Over/under that this building collapses in the next 48 hours? Apparently the HOA drained and refilled the main support columns this summer with a fluid that has a freezing point of just -13F.
I'm assuming everyone on here knows what happens when you freeze water based liquids?
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The temperature downtown only reached -9. Downtowns mass effects air temps. Also, I didn't think the freeze point was being debated? -13 is literally from the manufacturer. The city was involved behind the scenes and had white knuckles.Chiefsfan80 wrote: βThu Feb 01, 2024 8:03 pmThe temp got down to -16. It appears the freeze point wasn't -13 after all.im2kull wrote: βSat Jan 13, 2024 5:10 am Over/under that this building collapses in the next 48 hours? Apparently the HOA drained and refilled the main support columns this summer with a fluid that has a freezing point of just -13F.
I'm assuming everyone on here knows what happens when you freeze water based liquids?
https://www.weather.gov/wrh/climate?wfo=eax
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Did you work on the project? You seem to act like you know a lot about the work done on this building.im2kull wrote: βThu Feb 01, 2024 10:48 pmThe temperature downtown only reached -9. Downtowns mass effects air temps. Also, I didn't think the freeze point was being debated? -13 is literally from the manufacturer. The city was involved behind the scenes and had white knuckles.Chiefsfan80 wrote: βThu Feb 01, 2024 8:03 pmThe temp got down to -16. It appears the freeze point wasn't -13 after all.im2kull wrote: βSat Jan 13, 2024 5:10 am Over/under that this building collapses in the next 48 hours? Apparently the HOA drained and refilled the main support columns this summer with a fluid that has a freezing point of just -13F.
I'm assuming everyone on here knows what happens when you freeze water based liquids?
https://www.weather.gov/wrh/climate?wfo=eax
If the city was really that worried about the freeze point they would have done something.....you claim it only was -9 downtown. A mere 4 degrees from disaster as you predicted on this thread yet no action from the city such as evacuating the building.
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That's an ignorant take. No one claimed it would immediately cause a disaster if the fire suppression fluid froze. What it does introduce is added stress to the steel supports from excess cycles of the fluid freezing and thawing which has the possibility to reduce their strength over time; as well as a potentially adverse reaction if a fire were to take place while it was frozen.Chiefsfan80 wrote: βFri Feb 02, 2024 8:07 amDid you work on the project? You seem to act like you know a lot about the work done on this building.im2kull wrote: βThu Feb 01, 2024 10:48 pmThe temperature downtown only reached -9. Downtowns mass effects air temps. Also, I didn't think the freeze point was being debated? -13 is literally from the manufacturer. The city was involved behind the scenes and had white knuckles.Chiefsfan80 wrote: βThu Feb 01, 2024 8:03 pm
The temp got down to -16. It appears the freeze point wasn't -13 after all.
https://www.weather.gov/wrh/climate?wfo=eax
If the city was really that worried about the freeze point they would have done something.....you claim it only was -9 downtown. A mere 4 degrees from disaster as you predicted on this thread yet no action from the city such as evacuating the building.
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Not to give any air to posts I find to be untrustworthy but that's exactly what was inferred in this thread.
im2kull wrote: βSat Jan 13, 2024 5:10 am Over/under that this building collapses in the next 48 hours? Apparently the HOA drained and refilled the main support columns this summer with a fluid that has a freezing point of just -13F.
I'm assuming everyone on here knows what happens when you freeze water based liquids?
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I do know a lot about the work done on this building. What would you like to know?Chiefsfan80 wrote: βFri Feb 02, 2024 8:07 amDid you work on the project? You seem to act like you know a lot about the work done on this building.im2kull wrote: βThu Feb 01, 2024 10:48 pmThe temperature downtown only reached -9. Downtowns mass effects air temps. Also, I didn't think the freeze point was being debated? -13 is literally from the manufacturer. The city was involved behind the scenes and had white knuckles.Chiefsfan80 wrote: βThu Feb 01, 2024 8:03 pm
The temp got down to -16. It appears the freeze point wasn't -13 after all.
https://www.weather.gov/wrh/climate?wfo=eax
If the city was really that worried about the freeze point they would have done something.....you claim it only was -9 downtown. A mere 4 degrees from disaster as you predicted on this thread yet no action from the city such as evacuating the building.
Closely monitoring the situation often results in visible inaction. For obvious reasons.
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You need to read through posts from the last month or so because someone did indeed claim the solution would freeze and cause a disaster.KC_Ari wrote: βFri Feb 02, 2024 8:51 amThat's an ignorant take. No one claimed it would immediately cause a disaster if the fire suppression fluid froze. What it does introduce is added stress to the steel supports from excess cycles of the fluid freezing and thawing which has the possibility to reduce their strength over time; as well as a potentially adverse reaction if a fire were to take place while it was frozen.Chiefsfan80 wrote: βFri Feb 02, 2024 8:07 amDid you work on the project? You seem to act like you know a lot about the work done on this building.im2kull wrote: βThu Feb 01, 2024 10:48 pm
The temperature downtown only reached -9. Downtowns mass effects air temps. Also, I didn't think the freeze point was being debated? -13 is literally from the manufacturer. The city was involved behind the scenes and had white knuckles.
https://www.weather.gov/wrh/climate?wfo=eax
If the city was really that worried about the freeze point they would have done something.....you claim it only was -9 downtown. A mere 4 degrees from disaster as you predicted on this thread yet no action from the city such as evacuating the building.
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Fair enough. I didn't remember it being worded so drastically. I'll still stand by the fact that if there is any truth to the statements, that it is concerning.KCPowercat wrote: βFri Feb 02, 2024 9:16 amNot to give any air to posts I find to be untrustworthy but that's exactly what was inferred in this thread.
im2kull wrote: βSat Jan 13, 2024 5:10 am Over/under that this building collapses in the next 48 hours? Apparently the HOA drained and refilled the main support columns this summer with a fluid that has a freezing point of just -13F.
I'm assuming everyone on here knows what happens when you freeze water based liquids?
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Are you claiming that this couldn't occur?Chiefsfan80 wrote: βFri Feb 02, 2024 10:21 amYou need to read through posts from the last month or so because someone did indeed claim the solution would freeze and cause a disaster.KC_Ari wrote: βFri Feb 02, 2024 8:51 amThat's an ignorant take. No one claimed it would immediately cause a disaster if the fire suppression fluid froze. What it does introduce is added stress to the steel supports from excess cycles of the fluid freezing and thawing which has the possibility to reduce their strength over time; as well as a potentially adverse reaction if a fire were to take place while it was frozen.Chiefsfan80 wrote: βFri Feb 02, 2024 8:07 am
Did you work on the project? You seem to act like you know a lot about the work done on this building.
If the city was really that worried about the freeze point they would have done something.....you claim it only was -9 downtown. A mere 4 degrees from disaster as you predicted on this thread yet no action from the city such as evacuating the building.
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Hell if I know, I'm not an engineer.im2kull wrote: βFri Feb 02, 2024 11:15 amAre you claiming that this couldn't occur?Chiefsfan80 wrote: βFri Feb 02, 2024 10:21 amYou need to read through posts from the last month or so because someone did indeed claim the solution would freeze and cause a disaster.KC_Ari wrote: βFri Feb 02, 2024 8:51 am
That's an ignorant take. No one claimed it would immediately cause a disaster if the fire suppression fluid froze. What it does introduce is added stress to the steel supports from excess cycles of the fluid freezing and thawing which has the possibility to reduce their strength over time; as well as a potentially adverse reaction if a fire were to take place while it was frozen.
As I previously stated, if the situation were as dire as you claimed, with record cold temps that were supposedly putting the building in danger, one would think the city would've taken action. But they didn't. This appears to be much ado about nothing.
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It's a pretty black and white issue. But, I appreciate your attempts to downplay it. I would expect nothing less from a member of the HOA board.Chiefsfan80 wrote: βFri Feb 02, 2024 2:37 pmHell if I know, I'm not an engineer.im2kull wrote: βFri Feb 02, 2024 11:15 amAre you claiming that this couldn't occur?Chiefsfan80 wrote: βFri Feb 02, 2024 10:21 am
You need to read through posts from the last month or so because someone did indeed claim the solution would freeze and cause a disaster.
As I previously stated, if the situation were as dire as you claimed, with record cold temps that were supposedly putting the building in danger, one would think the city would've taken action. But they didn't. This appears to be much ado about nothing.
Do you dispute that the building is still out of compliance with the city and that the issue in the original complaint remains unresolved?
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Lol no. Someone disputes your claims and your go to is they are on the HOA board? Weird.im2kull wrote: βFri Feb 02, 2024 6:41 pmIt's a pretty black and white issue. But, I appreciate your attempts to downplay it. I would expect nothing less from a member of the HOA board.Chiefsfan80 wrote: βFri Feb 02, 2024 2:37 pmHell if I know, I'm not an engineer.
As I previously stated, if the situation were as dire as you claimed, with record cold temps that were supposedly putting the building in danger, one would think the city would've taken action. But they didn't. This appears to be much ado about nothing.
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Then why are you making such an effort to minimize and delegitimize the situation, avoid certain "tough" questions I've asked, and created an account to solely interact with this post? You speak exactly like a certain HOA board member, and have a username incorporating their birth year and favorite sports team.Chiefsfan80 wrote: βSat Feb 03, 2024 3:51 amLol no. Someone disputes your claims and your go to is they are on the HOA board? Weird.im2kull wrote: βFri Feb 02, 2024 6:41 pmIt's a pretty black and white issue. But, I appreciate your attempts to downplay it. I would expect nothing less from a member of the HOA board.Chiefsfan80 wrote: βFri Feb 02, 2024 2:37 pm
Hell if I know, I'm not an engineer.
As I previously stated, if the situation were as dire as you claimed, with record cold temps that were supposedly putting the building in danger, one would think the city would've taken action. But they didn't. This appears to be much ado about nothing.
Weird.
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Take this to your next board meeting, this isn't adding anything here and getting entirely too personal.
Last warning.
Last warning.
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I agree. Back to the facts at hand and a recap of the buildings status:KCPowercat wrote: βSat Feb 03, 2024 12:20 pm Take this to your next board meeting, this isn't adding anything here and getting entirely too personal.
Last warning.
The city has verified that this historic building remains noncompliant, with a life safety code violation regarding the five main support columns holding up the building and their fire protection system. Unfortunately, it appears that many residents are not aware of this condition or the associated risks and concerns.
New information shows a diminished freeze protection ability of the fluid-filled columns, after the HOA drained and refilled the columns last summer with a fluid that has a listed freeze point of just -13Β° f. An engineer recommended at least -30Β° f, and the old fluid removed achieved near -25Β° f performance. The fire department has expressed concerns about the fluid selection, and the manufacturer stated that their fluid is not formulated for use for such an application.
What happens next is anyone's guess, but losing such an architectural icon to poor management and something completely avoidable would be a tragedy.
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Show something official form the city or stop posting. Your choice.im2kull wrote: βSat Feb 03, 2024 1:14 pmI agree. Back to the facts at hand and a recap of the buildings status:KCPowercat wrote: βSat Feb 03, 2024 12:20 pm Take this to your next board meeting, this isn't adding anything here and getting entirely too personal.
Last warning.
The city has verified that this historic building remains noncompliant, with a life safety code violation regarding the five main support columns holding up the building and their fire protection system. Unfortunately, it appears that many residents are not aware of this condition or the associated risks and concerns.
New information shows a diminished freeze protection ability of the fluid-filled columns, after the HOA drained and refilled the columns last summer with a fluid that has a listed freeze point of just -13Β° f. An engineer recommended at least -30Β° f, and the old fluid removed achieved near -25Β° f performance. The fire department has expressed concerns about the fluid selection, and the manufacturer stated that their fluid is not formulated for use for such an application.
What happens next is anyone's guess, but losing such an architectural icon to poor management and something completely avoidable would be a tragedy.
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KCPowercat wrote: βSat Feb 03, 2024 1:18 pm Show something official form the city or stop posting. Your choice.