Hotel Bravo- 17th and Wyandotte

[kcjak]

If they finally reject this, does it get built anyway?

Days Inn *Select*

[beautyfromashes]

If they finally reject this, does it get built anyway?

nope

So, if that’s the case, the council is risking losing $Ms in revenue for mostly political or optical reasons? How is that in our best interest as citizens?

[mean]

I assume they think it's in their best interest for reelection: the reason literally any politician does anything ever.

[DaveKCMO]

If they finally reject this, does it get built anyway?

nope

So, if that’s the case, the council is risking losing $Ms in revenue for mostly political or optical reasons? How is that in our best interest as citizens?

Same logic applies to Strata, and the streetcar for some on the council.

[beautyfromashes]

Same logic applies to Strata, and the streetcar for some on the council.

It feels different than Strata though. I feel like with Strata they like the project and want office buildings but are trying to negotiate out the city backing piece. It feels like with this they just don’t want it. If they actually are negotiating on this hotel to pay less in incentives, then great. If they negotiate away it’s construction at all, that’s a loss for the city for no reason.

[normalthings]

Same logic applies to Strata, and the streetcar for some on the council.

It feels different than Strata though. I feel like with Strata they like the project and want office buildings but are trying to negotiate out the city backing piece. It feels like with this they just don’t want it. If they actually are negotiating on this hotel to pay less in incentives, then great. If they negotiate away it’s construction at all, that’s a loss for the city for no reason.

The Strata team comes off as knowledgeable and well prepared. Copaken Brooks knows what they are doing which is already known and confirmed by how they have handled themselves through this. CB is active in the community and donates to charities and politicians. More jobs in a new office building isn’t a hard sell politically. Summary: Good Developer, Good Project, Will Probably Get Built

The Bravo team comes off as the exact opposite. They come unprepared for meetings and do not reach out to the relevant organizations on time or at all. Their project doesn’t seem fully fleshed out and I personally struggle to understand why they are including a performance center down the street. It adds little value to the project and just sucks up more funds. The developers aren’t well know and pretty much zero information can be found out about them online. An ultra luxury hotel is a hard sell politically. Summary: Bad Developer, Bad Project, No Build

[FangKC]

I think they are trying to lock in an incentives deal before the incentives dry up.

[beautyfromashes]

The Strata team comes off as knowledgeable and well prepared. Copaken Brooks knows what they are doing which is already known and confirmed by how they have handled themselves through this.

It’s interesting that you say this because the Strata meeting that I saw, I was really annoyed at the statements from one of the presenters. Older gentlemen, white hair, didn’t catch his name. He started talking about the need for parking DT and how it was going to become critical, that the city should double parking spaces... really arrogant too. It seemed like such a 1980s presentation. I do like the design of the building, it just makes me desirous of a fresh crop of developers in this city. The old guard needs to go.

[kenrbnj]

Same logic applies to Strata, and the streetcar for some on the council.

It feels different than Strata though. I feel like with Strata they like the project and want office buildings but are trying to negotiate out the city backing piece. It feels like with this they just don’t want it. If they actually are negotiating on this hotel to pay less in incentives, then great. If they negotiate away it’s construction at all, that’s a loss for the city for no reason.

The Strata team comes off as knowledgeable and well prepared. Copaken Brooks knows what they are doing which is already known and confirmed by how they have handled themselves through this. CB is active in the community and donates to charities and politicians. More jobs in a new office building isn’t a hard sell politically. Summary: Good Developer, Good Project, Will Probably Get Built

The Bravo team comes off as the exact opposite. They come unprepared for meetings and do not reach out to the relevant organizations on time or at all. Their project doesn’t seem fully fleshed out and I personally struggle to understand why they are including a performance center down the street. It adds little value to the project and just sucks up more funds. The developers aren’t well know and pretty much zero information can be found out about them online. An ultra luxury hotel is a hard sell politically. Summary: Bad Developer, Bad Project, No Build

You nailed it. I am sitting in my office in NY, drinking pumpkin spice coffee* and I can hear those guys laughing.

Strata is delivering a product the CBD *needs*, but the City Council expressed reservations with heavy-handed incentives.

Bravo is adding to a market that is largely addressed AND seeking inordinate tax incentives? Day drinking.

Don't get me wrong; I had been and always will be a proponent of tax incentives - especially TIF. The developers in KC-land have managed to turn tax incentives into a land grab. Moreover, as the CBD has become desirable, in-part due to tax incentives. At what point does the city begin to reap benefit from the incentives of the past?


*Yes. I actually do like Pumpkin Spice coffee.

[FangKC]

Yes, antibiotics are necessary, but they have to be used responsibly and not for all situations. TIF is the same. TIF was necessary to create the environment for private reinvestment to happen. Once the Loop is healthy, there will still be a need to apply TIF to solve problems in other areas.

[beautyfromashes]

Yes, antibiotics are necessary, but they have to be used responsibly and not for all situations. TIF is the same. TIF was necessary to create the environment for private reinvestment to happen. Once the Loop is healthy, there will still be a need to apply TIF to solve problems in other areas.

It seems to me that whether this hotel is built without the incentives will be the test of if we have entered this new stage you talk about.

[DaveKCMO]

Other downtown hotels have been built with no incentives. That test has concluded.

[langosta]

Hilton Bravo Hotel - Planned - Site slated for a new construction, 300-room hotel.

From DowntownKC’s 2019 Development Map

https://www.downtownkc.org/wp-content/u ... -2019.pdf

[Riverite]

So is it a go? Also is 1915 Broadway the opus development? What’s number 5?

[DaveKCMO]

So is it a go? Also is 1915 Broadway the opus development? What’s number 5?

The Opus Crossroads project is not a 'go' yet due to environmental issues.

#5 would be on land owned by Brad Nicholson. I know of no additional details.

[normalthings]

So is it a go? Also is 1915 Broadway the opus development? What’s number 5?

The Opus Crossroads project is not a 'go' yet due to environmental issues.

#5 would be on land owned by Brad Nicholson. I know of no additional details.

A new tallest building for the Crossroads was at onetime one in the works for that intersection. It could be that.

[Riverite]

Any details on that new tallest, also would that include Loews and freight

[normalthings]

Any details on that new tallest, also would that include Loews and freight

The last time I heard about 16 & Main, a range was given that was around Loews.

[DaveKCMO]

There are much lower height recommendations around the Kauffman Center.

[LCDSI]

well seems like hotel bravo is dead.

this from today's business journal.

The $63 million luxury hotel proposed near the Kauffman Center for the Performing Arts will face a tougher road to a city incentive package after a big rejection on Thursday.

The Tax Increment Financing Commission of Kansas City voted 8-3 to deny a request for a massive incentive package after six months of delays that the panel offered to the developer in an effort to generate agreement among all concerned parties.

https://www.bizjournals.com/kansascity/ ... s_headline