18th and Vine

Discuss items in the urban core outside of Downtown as described above. Everything in the core including the east side (18th & Vine area), Northeast, Plaza, Westport, Brookside, Valentine, Waldo, 39th street, & the entire midtown area.
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moderne wrote: Tue Jan 03, 2023 3:39 pm Looks like street kept open to traffic, but narrowed to 2 lanes with wider sidewalks.
I think the idea was a drop off area at the GEM theater
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This plan addresses all of my concerns. I'm a convert!
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Cratedigger wrote: Tue Jan 03, 2023 10:43 am
FangKC wrote: Wed Dec 14, 2022 9:54 pm It doesn't meet the time-tested criteria for a successful pedestrian mall in the USA. There's no college campus nearby; it doesn't already have a lot of active-use retail and entertainment that draws regular foot traffic, the area isn't already densely-populated; and attracts a lot of daily tourist traffic. The district doesn't meet any of these.

This effort is doomed to failure, and the money allocated to install it will be wasted. Better to have spent that money on upgrading the museums or something. I know there has been past criticism that the Jazz Museum needs a lot of upgrading of exhibits, and is looking out of date. Another better use of the money would be some type of starter-business micro-loan set up to help people open businesses like restaurants and bars that would attract more people there. Helping finish the renovation of the Boone Theater would also have been a better use.

I predict they will reopen 18th Street to cars in 10 years or less after it's finished. Of course, they will come asking for more taxpayer money to do that too.

The Plaza is the only place I can think of in KCMO that could pull off a pedestrian mall.
Could the Hospital Hill area act as the "college campus anchor"?
No. Walk from Hospital Hill to 18th and Vine and contemplate how many humans would really walk that stretch and for what purpose. There aren't really enough restaurants in the District to attract people regularly. The physical environment between the two areas is not pedestrian-friendly.
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CityScene posted a photo of One Nine Vine construction.

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I like the idea of making improvements to the 18th & Vine District. Great Museums, historical buildings & baseball academy within. There are good things going for sure. However the access to the area scares most folks away. It’s a shame because it is not bad, maybe tough looking in spots but overall fine with room to get better. I really think figuring out a way to connect East Crossroads 18th St & everything it has going into 18th & Vine is key. Need to look at developing from Holmes, east along 18th down to the district. Then address opportunities from the North & South along the Paseo. But without the easy connection to Crossroads it will be an island
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FangKC wrote: Tue Jan 03, 2023 6:51 pm No. Walk from Hospital Hill to 18th and Vine and contemplate how many humans would really walk that stretch and for what purpose. There aren't really enough restaurants in the District to attract people regularly. The physical environment between the two areas is not pedestrian-friendly.
There are stakeholders who actually believe there is an easy* solution to this lack of connectivity.

*Ripping out the Troost Avenue bridge or adding new bridges at Campbell/Harrison/Tracy to make them walkable is not easy.
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FangKC wrote: Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:58 pm Kevin Collison is reporting that developer Adam Jones will be opening a new restaurant at 1819 Vine.
Adam Jones, who’s redevelopment portfolio include the Westside and West Bottoms, is going east to the 18th & Vine District with an artsy project featuring barbecue and soul food along with a dollop of local jazz culture.

He’s renovating a small two-story building at 1819 Vine into a restaurant and night club and naming it “Ruthelle’s” after Ruthelle Winkfield, the woman who ran a hair salon for many years in the space.
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The project is being financed by Lead Bank and the total redevelopment cost was estimated at $175,000. The schedule calls for the exterior work to be completed by year’s end and the restaurant and club opening in late spring 2022.
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https://www.google.com/maps/place/1819+ ... -94.563038

https://cityscenekc.com/developer-bring ... ROHmZBnKI8
Another write up on this concept. Late summer 2023 target opening date now.

https://www.startlandnews.com/2023/02 ... as-city/
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Wellness Center Planned for Former Wendell Phillips School Near 18th & Vine

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The former Wendell Phillips school near the 18th & Vine District is slated to become a community wellness center serving the neighborhood and a new affordable housing project planned across the street.

Urban Catalyst Inc. has acquired the school at 24th and Vine from the Kansas City Public Schools and is planning an estimated $10- to $15 million investment in renovating the building and its adjoining playing field.
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Urban Catalyst, an affiliate of UNI, also is partnering with Brinshore Development on a $10.6 million project that will add 39 affordable apartments in 10 townhome-style buildings across Highland Avenue from the school.
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The development is expected to include one-, two- and three-bedroom apartments and rent for households earning between 30 percent and 80 percent of the area media income (AMI). A one-bedroom at the 30 percent AMI level could rent for as low as $355 per month.
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Rodgers said a later phase of the project calls for construction of a building on the campus that would have retail and commercial space on the first floor and mixed-income apartments above it.
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https://cityscenekc.com/wellness-center ... N2JMlvPZjE

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https://www.google.com/maps/@39.08248,- ... a=!3m1!1e3
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Renderings of the 18th & Vine Pedestrian Mall project presented at Council today, which moves our Jazz district and Kansas City toward a more vibrant streetscape.
https://www.instagram.com/p/Cq9YFtUOvy9 ... _copy_link

Not very vibrant. I don't see how this revamp of the streetscape is going to change anything.

I don't know why they insist on keeping that vacant lot next to the Gem Theater and leaving it a "pocket park" where no one sits and generates no vibrancy. There are already outdoor public spaces in the District. No need for this one. Built affordable retail bays here to generate more street activity. The City is always subsidizing affordable housing, but never affordable retail spaces. This neighborhood needs services and businesses for people living around it.
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FangKC wrote: Thu Apr 13, 2023 2:44 am
Renderings of the 18th & Vine Pedestrian Mall project presented at Council today, which moves our Jazz district and Kansas City toward a more vibrant streetscape.
https://www.instagram.com/p/Cq9YFtUOvy9 ... _copy_link

Not very vibrant. I don't see how this revamp of the streetscape is going to change anything.

I don't know why they insist on keeping that vacant lot next to the Gem Theater and leaving it a "pocket park" where no one sits and generates no vibrancy. There are already outdoor public spaces in the District. No need for this one. Built affordable retail bays here to generate more street activity. The City is always subsidizing affordable housing, but never affordable retail spaces. This neighborhood needs services and businesses for people living around it.
String Lights = Vibrant :lol:
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FangKC wrote: Thu Apr 13, 2023 2:44 am
Renderings of the 18th & Vine Pedestrian Mall project presented at Council today, which moves our Jazz district and Kansas City toward a more vibrant streetscape.
https://www.instagram.com/p/Cq9YFtUOvy9 ... _copy_link

Not very vibrant. I don't see how this revamp of the streetscape is going to change anything.

I don't know why they insist on keeping that vacant lot next to the Gem Theater and leaving it a "pocket park" where no one sits and generates no vibrancy. There are already outdoor public spaces in the District. No need for this one. Built affordable retail bays here to generate more street activity. The City is always subsidizing affordable housing, but never affordable retail spaces. This neighborhood needs services and businesses for people living around it.
Why are there cars in every single rendering of the pedestrian mall?

At least make them food trucks
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https://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-c ... 0001e7fc23

Negro Leagues Baseball Museum announced a $25 million project to build a new NLBM adjacent to the O’Neil Center at 18th and the Paseo.

Bank of America is awarding a $1M grant in support of the museum’s $25M campaign.

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very cool, would be nice to build a bigger facility to be able to display more memorabilia & provide more exhibits for visitors. Hope they get it done.
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Maybe this would allow the Jazz museum to expand as well?
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Great to see, hopefully more come down there. More foot traffic will really help liven up the area.

Do wish they had a coffee shop jazz type place that side. Or more things to do.
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Missouri's First Black-owned Brewery Is Opening in Kansas City's Jazz Neighborhood — Just in Time for Summer

Vine Street Brewing will join the less than 1 percent of Black-owned breweries in the U.S.
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With this obvious imbalance in the beer industry, it's no surprise that the opening of Vine Street Brewing in Kansas City, Missouri, is making such a splash. The new brewery, which aims to open this month, is the state’s first Black-owned brewery and will join the less than 1 percent of Black-owned breweries in the U.S.
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New Affordable Housing Plan Jazzing Up Investment at 18th and Vine

A proposed 48-unit affordable apartment project that also would include the former House of Hits building is the latest in a surge of redevelopment either underway or in the works in the 18th and Vine District.

The $21 million Jazz III project would occupy the entire south side of 18th Street between The Paseo and Vine. It calls for the apartments to be built above 7,200 square-feet of retail space that would include renovating the 120 year-old House of Hits building.
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While the Jazz III project is not fully financed yet, it took a big step forward Wednesday when the City Council Neighborhood, Planning and Development Committee endorsed a $4 million allocation from the Central City Economic Development program.

Simmons, whose other partners are veteran 18th and Vine developer McCormack Baron and Leonard Graham, told the committee they will be seeking state low-income housing tax credits, and federal New Market tax credits as part of their funding package.

If successful in arranging the necessary financing, the project is anticipated to be completed by 2026.
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https://cityscenekc.com/new-affordable- ... -and-vine/

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https://www.google.com/maps/@39.0919804 ... a=!3m1!1e3
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Kevin Collison reports another apartment project for the 18th and Vine District -- this time west of Paseo and south of 18th Street. The two-phased project will wrap around the Buck O'Neill Center in the former Paseo YMCA building on city-owned surface lots. Kevin says it's the west side of Lydia, but I think he meant to write the east side of Lydia.

Apartments Proposed for City Property Near 18th and Vine
Another apartment project is in the works for the 18th and Vine District, this one an up to 195-unit proposal that would be built by Grayson Capital on the west side of Lydia between 18th and 19th streets.

Grayson won approval last week from the City Council to negotiate a deal to develop that city-owned property for Phase I of a development. It also would include a second phase retail project on city-owned property at the northeast corner of 18th and The Paseo.
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Phase I of the proposed development along Lydia calls for a 4- or 5-story apartment building that would include a blend of studio, one- and two-bedroom units aimed at a mixed-income market. Units would range from 500 square-feet to 900 square-feet.

Phase II currently calls for a 12,400 square-foot retail building, although Collins said the final design could change depending on how the Negro Leagues Baseball Museum expansion across 18th Street unfolds.
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https://www.google.com/maps/@39.088511 ... ?entry=ttu

https://cityscenekc.com/apartments-prop ... J3ZbQ_wxCA
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nice to see the city & developers investing in the district more. The baseball fields & Royals academy was a nice add to the area. Would really like to see an improved streetscape along 18th street West into the Crossroads to really connect the 2 areas as much as possible but I believe that is coming along slowly but surely. If you can connect that effectively to crossroads area 18th & vine would be a nice hub to start to spread out to the North, South, & East. Gives you something to build off of and move toward say Truman road on the North and infill.
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