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brewcrew1000 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 11:32 pm

flyingember wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 3:58 pm

brewcrew1000 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 12:54 pm The days of our population size and hubs to smaller cities are over. You will see more point to point flying and thats about it (MCI-RDU on AA for example or MCI-MSY on DL). The only hub that exists like this now is Salt Lake City and its probably cause its geographically isolated. Cincinnati, Memphis, St Louis, Cleveland, Milwaukee all had hubs that you mention and those days are long gone

In the lower 48...


KC is the 38th biggest airport by enplanements
Every airport bigger than KC is a focus city for an airline except for New Orleans.

San Jose, #39, is a focus city with Delta
Cleveland, #47, is a focus city for Frontier

Frontier is flying to MCO, MIA, LAS, LAX type cities from Cleveland they are not flying to Dayton, Buffalo, Harrisburg PA

It makes no sense anymore to fly Cincinnati to Buffalo or a Memphis to Birmingham because airlines have consolidated so much

flyingember wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 8:29 am

brewcrew1000 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 11:32 pm

flyingember wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 3:58 pm
In the lower 48...


KC is the 38th biggest airport by enplanements
Every airport bigger than KC is a focus city for an airline except for New Orleans.

San Jose, #39, is a focus city with Delta
Cleveland, #47, is a focus city for Frontier

Frontier is flying to MCO, MIA, LAS, LAX type cities from Cleveland they are not flying to Dayton, Buffalo, Harrisburg PA

It makes no sense anymore to fly Cincinnati to Buffalo or a Memphis to Birmingham because airlines have consolidated so much

Which is it? Will we see more point to point flights not utilizing hubs or do they not make sense because airlines want to use hubs?

There's a flight from Birmingham to Atlanta, 150 miles away. Atlanta is obviously crazy busy so adding capacity to it would be much harder than other cities.

Assuming there's a lot of people making that specific trip, in the point to point model it makes sense to switch at least one flight to be a nonstop Birmingham to Memphis. It would be about half the total flight distance so it would be cheaper for the airline if they can fill the seats.

WoodDraw wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 9:27 pm I really feel like they're going to launch the new terminal with direct to Europe.

I'd be very surprised at this point if it doesn't happen.

Although JetBlue has no plans right now for additional flights out of KCI, its route structure has a big hole in the middle of the country. That could create opportunities, said Justin Meyer, deputy director for the Aviation Department. One potential avenue for additional flights could be routes dropped before the pandemic that haven't restarted, he said.

The new routes will give JetBlue about a year to build up its two new flights before KCI’s new single terminal opens, anticipated March 3, 2023.

brewcrew1000 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 10:53 am Sun Country just added 5 routes from Milwaukee, u would think KC would be considered very soon.

Southwest Airlines announced that the carrier will add or resume service to nine U.S. cities from Kansas City International Airport (MCI) as part of a major system-wide expansion. Some cities are entirely new routes and some are pandemic-related service restorations.

The announcement comes as passenger numbers are on the increase as more and more Americans become vaccinated. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention just announced new guidelines for vaccinated people, stating that fully vaccinated people do not need to get COVID tests before or after domestic travel, and fully vaccinated people do not need self-quarantine after domestic travel.

“We are happy about Southwest’s decision to make significant increases here for Kansas City travelers just in time for summer,” said Pat Klein, director of Kansas City’s Aviation Department. “We are especially excited that our travelers will have the opportunity to enjoy new nonstop destinations.”

Routes to begin during summer 2021 are as follows:

Austin (AUS) 1 flight per day – Service restoration

Panama City (ECP) 5 flights per week – Service restoration. Was weekend only

Miami (MIA) 1 flight per week, Saturdays only – New nonstop destination from MCI for Southwest

Portland (PDX) 1 flight per week, Saturdays only – Service restoration

Pensacola (PNS) 1 flight per day – Service restoration. Was weekend only

San Diego (SAN) 6 flights per week - Service restoration

Orange County (SNA) 1 flight per day – New nonstop destination

Sarasota (SRQ) 1 flight per week, Saturdays only – New nonstop destination

Destin-Ft. Walton Beach (VPS) 1 flight per week, Saturdays only – New nonstop destination from MCI for Southwest

WoodDraw wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 9:41 pm If we've learned anything, it's that people here like going to beaches

flyingember wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 8:40 am

WoodDraw wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 9:41 pm If we've learned anything, it's that people here like going to beaches

Florida beaches. There hasn't been a massive increase in Texas or California beach destinations

We're going to Portland this summer, going to a beach town. Picked up that returned nonstop back without realizing it

brewcrew1000 wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 9:27 am

flyingember wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 8:40 am

WoodDraw wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 9:41 pm If we've learned anything, it's that people here like going to beaches

Florida beaches. There hasn't been a massive increase in Texas or California beach destinations

We're going to Portland this summer, going to a beach town. Picked up that returned nonstop back without realizing it

Are you goin to Cannon Beach or Lincoln City? Both are great but kind of different, we got married in Cannon Beach in front of the Goonies rock. The water is really cold but the Oregon Coast is beautiful, we drove it all a few years back