Capping the Loop

[GRID]

I'm surprised everyone is so happy about protecting the street grid. I know cars always win in KC, but this isn't super exciting to me.

May as well close Grand. Every time I'm in KC it's closed for no reason lol. It's kind of weird. Main street in the middle of a major city just closed with no cars or people around. Very odd.

[im2kull]

I'm surprised everyone is so happy about protecting the street grid. I know cars always win in KC, but this isn't super exciting to me.

May as well close Grand. Every time I'm in KC it's closed for no reason lol. It's kind of weird. Main street in the middle of a major city just closed with no cars or people around. Very odd.

It's criminal.

[GRID]

I'm surprised everyone is so happy about protecting the street grid. I know cars always win in KC, but this isn't super exciting to me.

May as well close Grand. Every time I'm in KC it's closed for no reason lol. It's kind of weird. Main street in the middle of a major city just closed with no cars or people around. Very odd.

It's criminal.

I mean isn't Grand a major city bus route? That has to make catching a bus downtown a real PITA.

[im2kull]

May as well close Grand. Every time I'm in KC it's closed for no reason lol. It's kind of weird. Main street in the middle of a major city just closed with no cars or people around. Very odd.

It's criminal.

I mean isn't Grand a major city bus route? That has to make catching a bus downtown a real PITA.

It is. It makes any commuting a real PITA.

[WoodDraw]

I'm surprised everyone is so happy about protecting the street grid. I know cars always win in KC, but this isn't super exciting to me.

May as well close Grand. Every time I'm in KC it's closed for no reason lol. It's kind of weird. Main street in the middle of a major city just closed with no cars or people around. Very odd.

Seriously, sigh. I give up.

It's the consultification and hold studies until all the neighbors get anything interesting removed. Everything new is old again. Whatever.

[GRID]

I'm surprised everyone is so happy about protecting the street grid. I know cars always win in KC, but this isn't super exciting to me.

May as well close Grand. Every time I'm in KC it's closed for no reason lol. It's kind of weird. Main street in the middle of a major city just closed with no cars or people around. Very odd.

Seriously, sigh. I give up.

It's the consultification and hold studies until all the neighbors get anything interesting removed. Everything new is old again. Whatever.

I'm not saying I disagree with you on closing some of the streets. I was only saying Grand seems to be closed all the time anyway.

They need to stop closing Grand though if they do want to close some of the other north/south streets across 670.

[WoodDraw]

May as well close Grand. Every time I'm in KC it's closed for no reason lol. It's kind of weird. Main street in the middle of a major city just closed with no cars or people around. Very odd.

Seriously, sigh. I give up.

It's the consultification and hold studies until all the neighbors get anything interesting removed. Everything new is old again. Whatever.

I'm not saying I disagree with you on closing some of the streets. I was only saying Grand seems to be closed all the time anyway.

They need to stop closing Grand though if they do want to close some of the other north/south streets across 670.

My sigh wasn't directed at you. I agree with you. On grand and the rest.

[GRID]

Seriously, sigh. I give up.

It's the consultification and hold studies until all the neighbors get anything interesting removed. Everything new is old again. Whatever.

I'm not saying I disagree with you on closing some of the streets. I was only saying Grand seems to be closed all the time anyway.

They need to stop closing Grand though if they do want to close some of the other north/south streets across 670.

My sigh wasn't directed at you. I agree with you. On grand and the rest.

Gotcha, I guess your post was full of general frustration with the Grand closings haha.

[WoodDraw]

I'm not saying I disagree with you on closing some of the streets. I was only saying Grand seems to be closed all the time anyway.

They need to stop closing Grand though if they do want to close some of the other north/south streets across 670.

My sigh wasn't directed at you. I agree with you. On grand and the rest.

Gotcha, I guess your post was full of general frustration with the Grand closings haha.

That grand is just randomly closed at any time and no one really seems to know why or if there are rules. Or cares.

But we try to create a park and hntb is like after a million dollar study and multiple hearings, we've decided nothing should change. And everyone is like oh, hmm, that makes sense.

[TheUrbanRoo]

I can't believe they are fighting this hard to keep Baltimore open. That street hardly gets any traffic. But I guess it's more important to please the 5 cars a day that pass through Baltimore than having an just *one* uninterrupted section of the park by cars.

The park was good. It won't even be a park if the entire thing becomes a street grid.

[dukuboy1]

so much pessimism around this and what could be cool. I'm just done with it. KC has been burned so many times, makes folks on boards like this just feel likes it's another "pissing in the wind" type project. I hope it works out and I think the idea/concept is solid. I'm all for every ounce development we can invest into downtown.

[KCPowercat]

I don't see much problem closing Baltimore. Any fear I've voiced of closing any street has zero to do with any car first mentally. It has everything to do with protecting streetcar headways and the already all too often closing of grand which basically takes it out of any traffic flow, which will become a bigger thing once royals are downtown

[Cratedigger]

Wow I'm shocked at the negativity here. This seems like the one project that KC/MO really seems to be moving on and putting $$$ towards in a way that will happen in the next 5 years

[KC_Ari]

I don't see much problem closing Baltimore. Any fear I've voiced of closing any street has zero to do with any car first mentally. It has everything to do with protecting streetcar headways and the already all too often closing of grand which basically takes it out of any traffic flow, which will become a bigger thing once royals are downtown

Agreed. I think the cities stance was to see a traffic study first. The random Grand closures and a few T-Mobile events need to be included in that to be worth anything. The Royals stadium has me slightly less concerned since I recall Sherman saying if they were to do EV, then the freeway access on the east loop would need to be reexamined.

[TheUrbanRoo]

Wow I'm shocked at the negativity here. This seems like the one project that KC/MO really seems to be moving on and putting $$$ towards in a way that will happen in the next 5 years

Agreed, but this seems to happen with every project. Everyone wants it and then when it gets going people sour on it and say “wasted opportunity” or something.

Obviously, even if they don’t close any roads, this will be massively better than the current state. Still very exciting so I don’t get it.

[KCPowercat]

I don't see much problem closing Baltimore. Any fear I've voiced of closing any street has zero to do with any car first mentally. It has everything to do with protecting streetcar headways and the already all too often closing of grand which basically takes it out of any traffic flow, which will become a bigger thing once royals are downtown

Agreed. I think the cities stance was to see a traffic study first. The random Grand closures and a few T-Mobile events need to be included in that to be worth anything. The Royals stadium has me slightly less concerned since I recall Sherman saying if they were to do EV, then the freeway access on the east loop would need to be reexamined.

Right but the oak and pnl garages will be used too which would put traffic on grand I'm guessing.

[beautyfromashes]

Wow I'm shocked at the negativity here. This seems like the one project that KC/MO really seems to be moving on and putting $$$ towards in a way that will happen in the next 5 years

Agreed, but this seems to happen with every project. Everyone wants it and then when it gets going people sour on it and say “wasted opportunity” or something.

Obviously, even if they don’t close any roads, this will be massively better than the current state. Still very exciting so I don’t get it.

Maybe you both know something I don’t, but I don’t remember anyone writing a check or even a grand announcement from the city that this was a go. We’ve had some groups submit some proposals, but that means nothing. What did I miss that makes you both so confident in what this park will be besides someone with a planning program staying late at work killing time because they hate their home life?

[DaveKCMO]

I don't see much problem closing Baltimore. Any fear I've voiced of closing any street has zero to do with any car first mentally. It has everything to do with protecting streetcar headways and the already all too often closing of grand which basically takes it out of any traffic flow, which will become a bigger thing once royals are downtown

And the not-often-discussed potential for private sector abuse of this new space. It will be managed by a private nonprofit, with heavy control by Cordish/Loews. What could go wrong? (See also the park atop Cosentino's garage)

I personally think it should be managed by private nonprofit given the location (too many issues to expect KCMO Parks to keep control), that sentiment just doesn't extend to the streets. (See also Westport sidewalks)

[WoodDraw]

I don't see much problem closing Baltimore. Any fear I've voiced of closing any street has zero to do with any car first mentally. It has everything to do with protecting streetcar headways and the already all too often closing of grand which basically takes it out of any traffic flow, which will become a bigger thing once royals are downtown

The streetcar headways are bs though. I take it every day and the lights never work. It's always stops at a red light for no one to cross. It then gets a green light and immediately stops to pick up passengers, backing up the street behind it. It has beg lights the entire way. The design is terrible.

You can also design to lead traffic away from main, something we should be doing already.

Is this how we design?

Sometimes when you design new things you have to change things. Like let's challenge our thinking of what the city should be.

[WoodDraw]

I don't see much problem closing Baltimore. Any fear I've voiced of closing any street has zero to do with any car first mentally. It has everything to do with protecting streetcar headways and the already all too often closing of grand which basically takes it out of any traffic flow, which will become a bigger thing once royals are downtown

Agreed. I think the cities stance was to see a traffic study first. The random Grand closures and a few T-Mobile events need to be included in that to be worth anything. The Royals stadium has me slightly less concerned since I recall Sherman saying if they were to do EV, then the freeway access on the east loop would need to be reexamined.

Right but the oak and pnl garages will be used too which would put traffic on grand I'm guessing.

So Truman changes plus stop closing grand.