Grand Blvd Closures

[KCPowercat]

I don't think a racetrack matters. If there were 10 racetracks within a mile of Grand Avenue these worthless little sh__heads would still waste rubber, risk lives and disturb everyone's peace because they don't care about speed and racing, they want to show off. Even if that means someone dies, they destroy property and/or make everyone around them miserable with their idiot showboating. They need a stage for their lack of talent and Grand Avenue gives them one.

Agree'd, except this actually doesn't even happen on Grand within the downtown core. It never has. The sideshow typically occurs on the other side of Truman Blvd, something these closures still don't mitigate. I think it's a common misconception spread here that these sideshows are actually occurring within the P&L district or the T-Mobile Center frontage. They aren't. It's always closed. It's happening South of the highway and over on Main Street mostly.

There are sideshow tire marks at 11th, 12th, 13th, and 14th and grand intersections.

https://goo.gl/maps/Yw3aLmFa25Wf6WVg6
https://goo.gl/maps/GDNCdWnrA1vt8zbt6

[Jblanco]

I don't think a racetrack matters. If there were 10 racetracks within a mile of Grand Avenue these worthless little sh__heads would still waste rubber, risk lives and disturb everyone's peace because they don't care about speed and racing, they want to show off. Even if that means someone dies, they destroy property and/or make everyone around them miserable with their idiot showboating. They need a stage for their lack of talent and Grand Avenue gives them one.

Agree'd, except this actually doesn't even happen on Grand within the downtown core. It never has. The sideshow typically occurs on the other side of Truman Blvd, something these closures still don't mitigate. I think it's a common misconception spread here that these sideshows are actually occurring within the P&L district or the T-Mobile Center frontage. They aren't. It's always closed. It's happening South of the highway and over on Main Street mostly.

I don't know what you are talking about. The idiots I've seen are always on Grand at 12th -Truman which is where the city is closing the street.

Grand at 12th
https://youtu.be/lg-OiZQCM40

Grand at Truman
https://youtu.be/_LGZpSnITUE?t=363

Grand ar 13th
https://youtu.be/HVIx-6DQ7s4

[im2kull]

I don't think a racetrack matters. If there were 10 racetracks within a mile of Grand Avenue these worthless little sh__heads would still waste rubber, risk lives and disturb everyone's peace because they don't care about speed and racing, they want to show off. Even if that means someone dies, they destroy property and/or make everyone around them miserable with their idiot showboating. They need a stage for their lack of talent and Grand Avenue gives them one.

Agree'd, except this actually doesn't even happen on Grand within the downtown core. It never has. The sideshow typically occurs on the other side of Truman Blvd, something these closures still don't mitigate. I think it's a common misconception spread here that these sideshows are actually occurring within the P&L district or the T-Mobile Center frontage. They aren't. It's always closed. It's happening South of the highway and over on Main Street mostly.

I don't know what you are talking about. The idiots I've seen are always on Grand at 12th -Truman which is where the city is closing the street.

Grand at 12th
https://youtu.be/lg-OiZQCM40

Grand at Truman
https://youtu.be/_LGZpSnITUE?t=363

Grand ar 13th
https://youtu.be/HVIx-6DQ7s4

1. The city isn't closing the street. By all measures it's being done by an entity that's not the city.
2. Nobody's closing Grand where you guys think they are. It's apparent you don't live downtown. Grand is ONLY being closed from the South side of the 13th & Grand intersection (Which still allows for sideshows to occur IN the intersection), to the South side of the 14th & Grand intersection (Which still allows sideshows to occur in both Truman Rd intersections). It's so commonplace that the barriers, blockage, and road shut down is now featured in Google Maps Aerial imagery.
https://goo.gl/maps/FUhzy8oyj35i3RJK9

Clearly this strategy is ineffective and serves only to remove a working thoroughfare for vehicular traffic, frustrating all residents and visitors alike. If Grand & 12th is a problem, then the city should address that. We shouldn't be closing Grand two blocks away from where the action is occurring. That serves NO purpose. As does leaving every other street untouched that's experiencing crime while blocking off a two hundred foot stretch of Grand in front of T-Mobile arena.

The only reasons I see for the T-Mobile arena frontage being closed is greed, laziness, and control. It has nothing to do with safety or reducing crime. It has everything to do with paying laborers once during regular business hours to set up and tear down the blockage, instead of paying a premium to close it off timely as needed for events, and allows Cordish to gain a block worth of VIP parking and tour bus parking. This appears to be its actual use. Even the Google imagery shows that. Which, is inappropriate. T-Mobile Arena has it's own parking lot and busses should be parking overnight elsewhere. We don't need to inconvenience the city to coddle performers.

[im2kull]

I don't think a racetrack matters. If there were 10 racetracks within a mile of Grand Avenue these worthless little sh__heads would still waste rubber, risk lives and disturb everyone's peace because they don't care about speed and racing, they want to show off. Even if that means someone dies, they destroy property and/or make everyone around them miserable with their idiot showboating. They need a stage for their lack of talent and Grand Avenue gives them one.

Agree'd, except this actually doesn't even happen on Grand within the downtown core. It never has. The sideshow typically occurs on the other side of Truman Blvd, something these closures still don't mitigate. I think it's a common misconception spread here that these sideshows are actually occurring within the P&L district or the T-Mobile Center frontage. They aren't. It's always closed. It's happening South of the highway and over on Main Street mostly.

Grand at 12th
https://youtu.be/lg-OiZQCM40

Grand at Truman
https://youtu.be/_LGZpSnITUE?t=363

Grand ar 13th
https://youtu.be/HVIx-6DQ7s4

Just further proof that a soft prosecutor and neutered police force is the #1 problem. Hard to tell anyone "Don't do that" when you have prosecutors and cops literally allowing it.

[Jblanco]

Agree'd, except this actually doesn't even happen on Grand within the downtown core. It never has. The sideshow typically occurs on the other side of Truman Blvd, something these closures still don't mitigate. I think it's a common misconception spread here that these sideshows are actually occurring within the P&L district or the T-Mobile Center frontage. They aren't. It's always closed. It's happening South of the highway and over on Main Street mostly.

You were already proven wrong.It is and was happening at 11th and 12th and Grand.

2. Nobody's closing Grand where you guys think they are. It's apparent you don't live downtown. Grand is ONLY being closed from the South side of the 13th & Grand intersection (Which still allows for sideshows to occur IN the intersection)......

You said it was almost always happening on the other (south) side of Truman.
You were wrong. And I don't understand why you are being condescending about not living downtown when we see the videos.

[im2kull]

Agree'd, except this actually doesn't even happen on Grand within the downtown core. It never has. The sideshow typically occurs on the other side of Truman Blvd, something these closures still don't mitigate. I think it's a common misconception spread here that these sideshows are actually occurring within the P&L district or the T-Mobile Center frontage. They aren't. It's always closed. It's happening South of the highway and over on Main Street mostly.

You were already proven wrong.It is and was happening at 11th and 12th and Grand.

2. Nobody's closing Grand where you guys think they are. It's apparent you don't live downtown. Grand is ONLY being closed from the South side of the 13th & Grand intersection (Which still allows for sideshows to occur IN the intersection)......

You said it was almost always happening on the other (south) side of Truman.
You were wrong. And I don't understand why you are being condescending about not living downtown when we see the videos.

One night with a few videos is anecdotal. Everyone living downtown knows that the vast majority of this occurs right in front of the trashy ass PRIME club on the other side of the highway, on S. Truman. Sure, from there a few folks end up going up and down Main, and occasionally folks end up at 12/13th & Grand.. proving how ineffective and worthless the Grand closures are. But, everyone who witnesses it regularly knows it only occurs because there's no enforcement of existing traffic law, and that it generally all starts and centers around highly esteemed establishments such as PRIME, and The Daiquiri Bar.

[KCPowercat]

Of course it's ineffective. Everybody knows this.

[brewcrew1000]

What is it going to take to shut Prime down? The homicide at 20 and Main is result cause of Prime? There are people from out of town staying in the area for Ed Sheeran, so sick of these ghetto nightclubs. They are responsible for so many of the weekend shootings in the commercial districts. It's just a never ending cycle.

[TheLastGentleman]

For the uninitiated, what’s prime?

[Chris Stritzel]

For the uninitiated, what’s prime?

A nightclub/bar business at 1511 Grand. Sometimes when I walk by it, there's a line to get in. I have no opinion on it since I don't go to Nightclubs, but if there's a correlation between Prime and today's homicide at 20th and Main, the city might need to step in.
https://www.facebook.com/Primebarkc

[brewcrew1000]

It's probably not related honestly. Think it happened to early in the day for it to be Prime related. Whenever something happens in crossroads 9 times out of 10 it's Prime Night Club related

[KCPowercat]

What is it going to take to shut Prime down? The homicide at 20 and Main is result cause of Prime? There are people from out of town staying in the area for Ed Sheeran, so sick of these ghetto nightclubs. They are responsible for so many of the weekend shootings in the commercial districts. It's just a never ending cycle.

I don't think 20th and Main had anything to do with Prime. Prime wasn't open last night.

[DColeKC]

Agree'd, except this actually doesn't even happen on Grand within the downtown core. It never has. The sideshow typically occurs on the other side of Truman Blvd, something these closures still don't mitigate. I think it's a common misconception spread here that these sideshows are actually occurring within the P&L district or the T-Mobile Center frontage. They aren't. It's always closed. It's happening South of the highway and over on Main Street mostly.

I don't know what you are talking about. The idiots I've seen are always on Grand at 12th -Truman which is where the city is closing the street.

Grand at 12th
https://youtu.be/lg-OiZQCM40

Grand at Truman
https://youtu.be/_LGZpSnITUE?t=363

Grand ar 13th
https://youtu.be/HVIx-6DQ7s4

1. The city isn't closing the street. By all measures it's being done by an entity that's not the city.
2. Nobody's closing Grand where you guys think they are. It's apparent you don't live downtown. Grand is ONLY being closed from the South side of the 13th & Grand intersection (Which still allows for sideshows to occur IN the intersection), to the South side of the 14th & Grand intersection (Which still allows sideshows to occur in both Truman Rd intersections). It's so commonplace that the barriers, blockage, and road shut down is now featured in Google Maps Aerial imagery.
https://goo.gl/maps/FUhzy8oyj35i3RJK9

Clearly this strategy is ineffective and serves only to remove a working thoroughfare for vehicular traffic, frustrating all residents and visitors alike. If Grand & 12th is a problem, then the city should address that. We shouldn't be closing Grand two blocks away from where the action is occurring. That serves NO purpose. As does leaving every other street untouched that's experiencing crime while blocking off a two hundred foot stretch of Grand in front of T-Mobile arena.

The only reasons I see for the T-Mobile arena frontage being closed is greed, laziness, and control. It has nothing to do with safety or reducing crime. It has everything to do with paying laborers once during regular business hours to set up and tear down the blockage, instead of paying a premium to close it off timely as needed for events, and allows Cordish to gain a block worth of VIP parking and tour bus parking. This appears to be its actual use. Even the Google imagery shows that. Which, is inappropriate. T-Mobile Arena has it's own parking lot and busses should be parking overnight elsewhere. We don't need to inconvenience the city to coddle performers.

LOL! Seriously, for greed? Google imagery is from a festival that took place the weekend the google image was taken. No vehicles, especially "VIP" are parking on Grand. No tour busses part there either and in the past when they have, they park in the parking lane which wouldn't require the street to be shut down. Lastly, please tell me how Cordish makes even a single extra penny by closing Grand? It costs them money and pisses off their customers who are inconvenienced. This was the cities and PD's idea to keep the street safe while they figure out a permanent solution, which they are in fact working on.

[DColeKC]

What is it going to take to shut Prime down? The homicide at 20 and Main is result cause of Prime? There are people from out of town staying in the area for Ed Sheeran, so sick of these ghetto nightclubs. They are responsible for so many of the weekend shootings in the commercial districts. It's just a never ending cycle.

I don't think 20th and Main had anything to do with Prime. Prime wasn't open last night.

Prime wasn't open at all last week which may mean it's done. I didn't hear about a temporary closing.

[beautyfromashes]

The Grand Blvd Closures thread:
"They closed Grand again!"
"Why do they do this!?!"
"We hate Cordish."

two weeks later--
"They closed Grand again!"

[KCPowercat]

What is it going to take to shut Prime down? The homicide at 20 and Main is result cause of Prime? There are people from out of town staying in the area for Ed Sheeran, so sick of these ghetto nightclubs. They are responsible for so many of the weekend shootings in the commercial districts. It's just a never ending cycle.

I don't think 20th and Main had anything to do with Prime. Prime wasn't open last night.

Prime wasn't open at all last week which may mean it's done. I didn't hear about a temporary closing.

Sounds like it was open Saturday night. PD says came from 1501 Grand. Maybe that was just a sideshow started there if in fact it hasn't been open?
https://www.kshb.com/news/crime/4-men-i ... y-missouri

[im2kull]

Lastly, please tell me how Cordish makes even a single extra penny by closing Grand? It costs them money and pisses off their customers who are inconvenienced. This was the cities and PD's idea to keep the street safe while they figure out a permanent solution, which they are in fact working on.

If it's the cities idea, then they need to own it. Not Cordish or any other private entity.

[DColeKC]

Lastly, please tell me how Cordish makes even a single extra penny by closing Grand? It costs them money and pisses off their customers who are inconvenienced. This was the cities and PD's idea to keep the street safe while they figure out a permanent solution, which they are in fact working on.

If it's the cities idea, then they need to own it. Not Cordish or any other private entity.

You can't rely on the city to execute this. It was their suggestion along with the PD. If we had proper PD staffing in this city, the closures wouldn't be needed at all. Like many things that the city is responsible for, the developer, Cordish in this example, has taken on the expense and responsibility of setting up, maintaining and removing. Otherwise, it won't get done.

I do think we will see some change over the next several months. Matter of fact, I think we will see big changes soon to downtown closures as we gear up to start work on the cap.

[KCPowercat]

I've seen a couple posts about "proper PD staffing". What do you mean there? Just the opening on the PD? How PD leadership is utilizing their budget (uniformed officers vs. management)? How the PD on the street are deployed?

[DColeKC]

I've seen a couple posts about "proper PD staffing". What do you mean there? Just the opening on the PD? How PD leadership is utilizing their budget (uniformed officers vs. management)? How the PD on the street are deployed?

KCPD is at its lowest staffing numbers in over 50 years. They're down nearly 300 officers from where they would be if fully staffed, so things like traffic enforcement and chasing down donut dorks is low priority.