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AlkaliAxel wrote: Tue Jan 04, 2022 1:47 pm
Mahomes doesn’t need a KC investor group. He can team up with billionaires from anywhere and get a team. Even if you had a team of investors from Boston…where else are they gonna go with a team? The only real alternative was San Diego and they just declined it.
I haven't read this whole thread, but Seattle and Vegas both have to be near the top of any list of new NBA cities.

I'd love to see a team here, but the Sprint/TMobile Center is 15 years old - would probably be 20 yrs old by the time a team got here. Are there many examples of expanding or relocating teams moving in to 20 yr old arenas? Just not sure that's realistic. It's minimum $1.5 billion for an NBA team these days. If anyone drops that kind of coin on a team, I imagine they are looking to soak a tax base for a shiny new arena. If there's a way to get it done, I'm all for it. Just seems unlikely to me.
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WSPanic wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 5:26 pm
AlkaliAxel wrote: Tue Jan 04, 2022 1:47 pm
Mahomes doesn’t need a KC investor group. He can team up with billionaires from anywhere and get a team. Even if you had a team of investors from Boston…where else are they gonna go with a team? The only real alternative was San Diego and they just declined it.
I haven't read this whole thread, but Seattle and Vegas both have to be near the top of any list of new NBA cities.

I'd love to see a team here, but the Sprint/TMobile Center is 15 years old - would probably be 20 yrs old by the time a team got here. Are there many examples of expanding or relocating teams moving in to 20 yr old arenas? Just not sure that's realistic. It's minimum $1.5 billion for an NBA team these days. If anyone drops that kind of coin on a team, I imagine they are looking to soak a tax base for a shiny new arena. If there's a way to get it done, I'm all for it. Just seems unlikely to me.
The thread earlier covers this, yes.

Las Vegas & Seattle are going to get expansion teams. If what I’ve read is correct, they’re going to announce the expansion this summer after the season. Yes these two are already a done deal for expansion.

What KC will be looking for is relocation. It’s significantly cheaper ($1.2 bil or so) and there are two cities I believe to be on the verge of relocating. New Orleans and Memphis.

You’ll hav to go back to Page 1 and read the plan I laid for how we could get New Orleans.

I get your point on the T-Mobile Center, but that can be countered:

1. Despite the age, it’s still a high functioning

2. It has 19k seats, which would put it at 14th in the NBA in terms of capacity- very good

3. And this the key- it’s surrounded by the P&L district. The district itself is probably enough to overcome the arena age. The league has mentioned it loves the district and location. It’s right in the heart of downtown, and it’s a year round thriving area.
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WSPanic wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 5:26 pm
AlkaliAxel wrote: Tue Jan 04, 2022 1:47 pm
Mahomes doesn’t need a KC investor group. He can team up with billionaires from anywhere and get a team. Even if you had a team of investors from Boston…where else are they gonna go with a team? The only real alternative was San Diego and they just declined it.
I haven't read this whole thread, but Seattle and Vegas both have to be near the top of any list of new NBA cities.

I'd love to see a team here, but the Sprint/TMobile Center is 15 years old - would probably be 20 yrs old by the time a team got here. Are there many examples of expanding or relocating teams moving in to 20 yr old arenas? Just not sure that's realistic. It's minimum $1.5 billion for an NBA team these days. If anyone drops that kind of coin on a team, I imagine they are looking to soak a tax base for a shiny new arena. If there's a way to get it done, I'm all for it. Just seems unlikely to me.
No issues moving into an older Arena. It has held up very well and it's just as modern on the technical side as brand new Arenas. It would automatically become a top 10 NBA arena if it landed a team.
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I think the NHL is going to throw around a little weight when it comes to Seattle & Vegas. I wouldn't be surprised if one gets left out due to competition/arena stuff. The Seattle arena reno was to make it as hockey accessible as possible & Vegas can only be the destination city that away fans go to for so long. MLS is going to put a team there instead of Sacramento as well.
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If KC got an NBA team in the next 5 years- what do you think % split of people in Wichita would root for of either the KC team or the OKC team?

Keep in mind OKC has had a longer advantage of time on us.
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0% because no one cares about the Thunder in Wichita.
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Wichita? Never heard of it.
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Goonies wrote: Wed Mar 30, 2022 11:25 am Vegas next.

Breaking on CNBC: Tim Leiweke's Oak View Group announces they have acquired 25 acres of land in Las Vegas to build a new $3B sports and entertainment district. This will include a 20K capacity arena, casino and hotel project.
Very interesting. I assumed they would go to the T-Mobile Arena. It's only around 5 years old
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About two years ago I read that in summer 2022 the NBA was going to vote on expansion. Not sure if that’s still the timeline, but this would make sense if it is. I know for a fact they have the ownership groups lined up in Seattle & Vegas ready to go.

If you go back the origins of this thread however- this was always the plan. Seattle & Vegas expand, and then once they’re finally out of the way (hopefully this year), then KC will just pry the next team that relocates. Probably would be New Orleans or Memphis.
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Can't wait to watch the Vegas market implode due to too many teams, not enough home fans, climate change, etc.

They're going to legit try to have all 5 major leagues in their own individual stadium just so out of town fan can visit? Only the team gambling aspect of it all could save them. They're going to way oversaturate the market. Do they really think locals are going to lose their mind over the A's?
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TheSmokinPun wrote: Wed Mar 30, 2022 1:45 pm Can't wait to watch the Vegas market implode due to too many teams, not enough home fans, climate change, etc.

They're going to legit try to have all 5 major leagues in their own individual stadium just so out of town fan can visit? Only the team gambling aspect of it all could save them. They're going to way oversaturate the market. Do they really think locals are going to lose their mind over the A's?
if every other state and stadium adds sports gambling, I don't see what the appeal is to going to vegas to bet on sports.
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I figured Seattle would be back with the Sonics first as expansion. Sort of like when the Browns came back to Cleveland. I was not sure if the Thunder control the rights to the Super Sonics name & branding like Cleveland held on to their name and such. I honestly do not know.

# Pro Sports franchise in Vegas I guess bodes well for other smaller markets. As their Metro is right around 2.2-2.3 million, similar in size to KC. KC has a little better regional pull but Vegas of course has the visitor pull. Helps there is a lot of private money in Vegas which gives them an Edge. I'd be curious to know where the Knights rank in attendance and what their non-company season ticket base is. But whatever, I'd love KC to have NBA again but unless someone moves to KC it ain't happening. Maybe in 25 years if we can continue to experience good solid growth with some nice spurts we would garner some attention but until then it will be bleak. I mean we can even keep Nordstrom's in town to our high end shopping district :lol:
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The only reason Vegas popped off like this for sports was because the Golden Knights blew up in their inaugural year in 2018, and now everyone wants to throw their money at it like a unicorn
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TheSmokinPun wrote: Wed Mar 30, 2022 1:45 pm Can't wait to watch the Vegas market implode due to too many teams, not enough home fans, climate change, etc.

They're going to legit try to have all 5 major leagues in their own individual stadium just so out of town fan can visit? Only the team gambling aspect of it all could save them. They're going to way oversaturate the market. Do they really think locals are going to lose their mind over the A's?
I would disagree with most of what you said. Conventions and such brings a ton of visitors and among those visitors are many high rollers. Over a long weekend a casino can give a customer a ticket for a sporting event for one day, a concert ticket a second day, and a show ticket a third day. I could see a baseball stadium loaded with suites for the many casinos to treat their high rollers with not only a game but also with food and drink.
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dukuboy1 wrote: Wed Mar 30, 2022 5:03 pm I figured Seattle would be back with the Sonics first as expansion. Sort of like when the Browns came back to Cleveland. I was not sure if the Thunder control the rights to the Super Sonics name & branding like Cleveland held on to their name and such. I honestly do not know.

# Pro Sports franchise in Vegas I guess bodes well for other smaller markets. As their Metro is right around 2.2-2.3 million, similar in size to KC. KC has a little better regional pull but Vegas of course has the visitor pull. Helps there is a lot of private money in Vegas which gives them an Edge. I'd be curious to know where the Knights rank in attendance and what their non-company season ticket base is. But whatever, I'd love KC to have NBA again but unless someone moves to KC it ain't happening. Maybe in 25 years if we can continue to experience good solid growth with some nice spurts we would garner some attention but until then it will be bleak. I mean we can even keep Nordstrom's in town to our high end shopping district :lol:
I think #6 for hockey and #26 for football
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TheSmokinPun wrote: Wed Mar 30, 2022 1:45 pm Can't wait to watch the Vegas market implode due to too many teams, not enough home fans, climate change, etc.

They're going to legit try to have all 5 major leagues in their own individual stadium just so out of town fan can visit? Only the team gambling aspect of it all could save them. They're going to way oversaturate the market. Do they really think locals are going to lose their mind over the A's?
I totally agree, however sadly the NBA looks like a lock for Vegas and the other two remaining leagues look good to go there as well eventually. MLB and MLS in Vegas in summer wil be a fucking shitshow as they'll need indoor stadiums with AC which will heavily add to costs.

The NHL will be the first to be squeezed out. Its the longest there, so naturally the novelty will wear off first. Also Hockey in Sun Belt markets with NBA teams to compete with has been a bit of a fucking disaster as well. In the end they are going to be left with too many doormat teams in the southern half of the country that are after thoughts in their markets. Arizona and Florida could move tomorrow and no one would care....the likes of Nashville, Dallas and Carolina are heavily reliant on the team being good too. Atlanta left for sunny Winnipeg. Only really Tampa has been a solid success and they've been pretty good and they are the only show in town in the winter there.
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Can’t speak for any of the other cities, but here in Dallas, there’s a huge Stars following. Youth hockey has taken off and even in down years are regularly in the top half of NHL attendance.
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I hope KC can get a NBA franchise back in town. I think it would do well & would fit into our sports appetite.
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dukuboy1 wrote: Sun Apr 03, 2022 11:54 pm I hope KC can get a NBA franchise back in town. I think it would do well & would fit into our sports appetite.
KC will as soon as a team finally comes for sale. That's basically all we're waiting for after the expansion to 32.
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Hope you’re right but I guess we’ll see.
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