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Rusty Irish wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 7:37 pm The other issue is, sometimes you need to be careful what you wish for and adding another team can risk diluting the market. I can live with people feeling like they are quite happy with the teams they already have and they don't need more.
I think there is a feeling last few years we're ready for more. Especially with downtown being the way it is now & FIFA saying you're a World Cup city.
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Downtown being the way it is means 20k more residents and negative job growth. That’s not enough to support new major teams
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normalthings wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 9:17 pm Downtown being the way it is means 20k more residents and negative job growth. That’s not enough to support new major teams
Considering that there are downtowns with far less population, and no rail, supporting teams, I think we'll be just fine. I've gathered from your takes you seem to think every city with an NBA team is like Atlanta in size & growth. It's far from it. We'd be right in the middle.
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AlkaliAxel wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 10:13 pm
normalthings wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 9:17 pm Downtown being the way it is means 20k more residents and negative job growth. That’s not enough to support new major teams
Considering that there are downtowns with far less population, and no rail, supporting teams, I think we'll be just fine. I've gathered from your takes you seem to think every city with an NBA team is like Atlanta in size & growth. It's far from it. We'd be right in the middle.
You need to compare us to cities with 4 pro teams from major leagues. Memphis or OKC such compared to KC but they have no pro-competition.
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normalthings wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 10:26 pm
AlkaliAxel wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 10:13 pm
normalthings wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 9:17 pm Downtown being the way it is means 20k more residents and negative job growth. That’s not enough to support new major teams
Considering that there are downtowns with far less population, and no rail, supporting teams, I think we'll be just fine. I've gathered from your takes you seem to think every city with an NBA team is like Atlanta in size & growth. It's far from it. We'd be right in the middle.
You need to compare us to cities with 4 pro teams from major leagues. Memphis or OKC such compared to KC but they have no pro-competition.
I do look at that. And I don't count MLS as a legit sports competition yet.

Right now New Orleans has an NFL & NBA team all winter and they're half our size with no growth. Cleveland & Pittsburgh are the smallest metros with 3 of the "Big 4" sports and we're in a better situation than either of those metros. Yes I'm confident we can do it.
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You seem to refuse acknowledging growth rates and the fact that sports teams are “sticky” like menu prices. MLS is growing quickly as are numerous other cities.

CLE, Pitt, and frankly potentially KC have all of these teams because they got them when they where comparatively “more important”. Does not mean the best business decision is to stay.

NoLa like Las Vegas has strong tourism. Enough to keep 2 teams may be debatable but in the past it was a serious destination.
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normalthings wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 10:39 pm You seem to refuse acknowledging growth rates and the fact that sports teams are “sticky” like menu prices. MLS is growing quickly as are numerous other cities.

CLE, Pitt, and frankly potentially KC have all of these teams because they got them when they where comparatively “more important”. Does not mean the best business decision is to stay.

NoLa like Las Vegas has strong tourism. Enough to keep 2 teams may be debatable but in the past it was a serious destination.
But again, we're not a dying rust belt city like Cleveland or Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh has been barely holding onto its NHL team because it's dying. If the Royals left, we'd get an NBA/NHL team within 2 years.

Where's our NBA & NHL team we used to have? Teams won't stay in a market just for the hell of it. The reason KC has been featured more times to get NBA (and World Cup) than any other "peer" city is because there's a growing recognition that this is a fantastic sports region & KC/downtown is trending quickly in the right direction.
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AlkaliAxel wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 10:36 pm
normalthings wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 10:26 pm
AlkaliAxel wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 10:13 pm

Considering that there are downtowns with far less population, and no rail, supporting teams, I think we'll be just fine. I've gathered from your takes you seem to think every city with an NBA team is like Atlanta in size & growth. It's far from it. We'd be right in the middle.
You need to compare us to cities with 4 pro teams from major leagues. Memphis or OKC such compared to KC but they have no pro-competition.
I do look at that. And I don't count MLS as a legit sports competition yet.

Right now New Orleans has an NFL & NBA team all winter and they're half our size with no growth. Cleveland & Pittsburgh are the smallest metros with 3 of the "Big 4" sports and we're in a better situation than either of those metros. Yes I'm confident we can do it.
I think you need to look beyond metro population for sports. Cities like Buffalo and New Orleans stay afloat with multiple pro teams as they have good secondary markets to draw from in their regions (Baton Rouge, Rochester, Gulf Coast, Ontario etc). Heck even Omaha could probably support say an NBA team as it would have four or five other decent secondary cities in its catchment unapposed (KC, Des Moines, Lincoln, Sioux Falls). There are good metrics for us supporting an NBA team. The problem comes when all four teams want a palace and someone ends up squeezed out . Two of them are wanting something shiney in the near future. One of our best options might be to try and tempt SKC to share with the Chiefs in a facility like Atlanta (not as glitzy) but can be adapted for soccer and smaller attendances and essentially kills two birds with the one stone and gets more value out of the facility in terms of year round use.
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Rusty Irish wrote: Sun Sep 11, 2022 5:36 am
AlkaliAxel wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 10:36 pm
normalthings wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 10:26 pm

You need to compare us to cities with 4 pro teams from major leagues. Memphis or OKC such compared to KC but they have no pro-competition.
I do look at that. And I don't count MLS as a legit sports competition yet.

Right now New Orleans has an NFL & NBA team all winter and they're half our size with no growth. Cleveland & Pittsburgh are the smallest metros with 3 of the "Big 4" sports and we're in a better situation than either of those metros. Yes I'm confident we can do it.
I think you need to look beyond metro population for sports. Cities like Buffalo and New Orleans stay afloat with multiple pro teams as they have good secondary markets to draw from in their regions (Baton Rouge, Rochester, Gulf Coast, Ontario etc). Heck even Omaha could probably support say an NBA team as it would have four or five other decent secondary cities in its catchment unapposed (KC, Des Moines, Lincoln, Sioux Falls). There are good metrics for us supporting an NBA team. The problem comes when all four teams want a palace and someone ends up squeezed out . Two of them are wanting something shiney in the near future. One of our best options might be to try and tempt SKC to share with the Chiefs in a facility like Atlanta (not as glitzy) but can be adapted for soccer and smaller attendances and essentially kills two birds with the one stone and gets more value out of the facility in terms of year round use.
This is actually something that could go a long ways towards team retention. For both NFL and MLS, they’d both lower their cost burden for stadium maintenance, LRT becomes a (more) viable option to actually run to and past TSC. Again obviously a long shot, but who knows
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GRID wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 6:00 pm Didn't Sacramento just build a new arena? KC has always just lacked an owner, but I can see Mahomes bringing a team to KC, but it's probably many years out.
Does anyone know how Mahomes contract is structured? That is how much cash he is paid annually and how much is deferred. In 10 years he may be a billionaire on paper but be cash poor. Not poor poor but not having enough cash to be the lead in an ownership group, just a face. For KC to wait 10 or more years for Mahomes can be the wrong choice. Who knows, the so-called troubled NBA teams might have already solved their problems one way or another.
If the city wants a team the time is now to get an ownership group together and be ready to strike if and when a team becomes available.
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Not counting MLS as legit competition is dumb. The ratings are a bit of an issue but cash flow & attendance continues to go way up & is above the NHL in many ways. You're better off not counting NHL over MLS.
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Anthony_Hugo98 wrote: Sun Sep 11, 2022 7:28 am
Rusty Irish wrote: Sun Sep 11, 2022 5:36 am
AlkaliAxel wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 10:36 pm

I do look at that. And I don't count MLS as a legit sports competition yet.

Right now New Orleans has an NFL & NBA team all winter and they're half our size with no growth. Cleveland & Pittsburgh are the smallest metros with 3 of the "Big 4" sports and we're in a better situation than either of those metros. Yes I'm confident we can do it.
I think you need to look beyond metro population for sports. Cities like Buffalo and New Orleans stay afloat with multiple pro teams as they have good secondary markets to draw from in their regions (Baton Rouge, Rochester, Gulf Coast, Ontario etc). Heck even Omaha could probably support say an NBA team as it would have four or five other decent secondary cities in its catchment unapposed (KC, Des Moines, Lincoln, Sioux Falls). There are good metrics for us supporting an NBA team. The problem comes when all four teams want a palace and someone ends up squeezed out . Two of them are wanting something shiney in the near future. One of our best options might be to try and tempt SKC to share with the Chiefs in a facility like Atlanta (not as glitzy) but can be adapted for soccer and smaller attendances and essentially kills two birds with the one stone and gets more value out of the facility in terms of year round use.
This is actually something that could go a long ways towards team retention. For both NFL and MLS, they’d both lower their cost burden for stadium maintenance, LRT becomes a (more) viable option to actually run to and past TSC. Again obviously a long shot, but who knows
A KC version of what Seattle has with the Seahawks/Sounders in the West Bottoms? I'm here for that.
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Anthony_Hugo98 wrote: Sun Sep 11, 2022 7:28 am
Rusty Irish wrote: Sun Sep 11, 2022 5:36 am
AlkaliAxel wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 10:36 pm

I do look at that. And I don't count MLS as a legit sports competition yet.

Right now New Orleans has an NFL & NBA team all winter and they're half our size with no growth. Cleveland & Pittsburgh are the smallest metros with 3 of the "Big 4" sports and we're in a better situation than either of those metros. Yes I'm confident we can do it.
I think you need to look beyond metro population for sports. Cities like Buffalo and New Orleans stay afloat with multiple pro teams as they have good secondary markets to draw from in their regions (Baton Rouge, Rochester, Gulf Coast, Ontario etc). Heck even Omaha could probably support say an NBA team as it would have four or five other decent secondary cities in its catchment unapposed (KC, Des Moines, Lincoln, Sioux Falls). There are good metrics for us supporting an NBA team. The problem comes when all four teams want a palace and someone ends up squeezed out . Two of them are wanting something shiney in the near future. One of our best options might be to try and tempt SKC to share with the Chiefs in a facility like Atlanta (not as glitzy) but can be adapted for soccer and smaller attendances and essentially kills two birds with the one stone and gets more value out of the facility in terms of year round use.
This is actually something that could go a long ways towards team retention. For both NFL and MLS, they’d both lower their cost burden for stadium maintenance, LRT becomes a (more) viable option to actually run to and past TSC. Again obviously a long shot, but who knows
This becomes a league question. For the most part, MLS is requiring teams to have dedicated facilities. Sporting KC ownership LOVES having their own stadium. Lots of minds must be convinced.

It would be great to have NFL and MLS in the West Bottoms. IIRC, MLS required separate spaces for each league(ie locker rooms training etc).

My only issue with WB is running LRT to the stadium and through downtown. Needs to be actual dedicated ROW stuff and idk where that’s going to go.
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TheSmokinPun wrote: Sun Sep 11, 2022 9:59 am Not counting MLS as legit competition is dumb. The ratings are a bit of an issue but cash flow & attendance continues to go way up & is above the NHL in many ways. You're better off not counting NHL over MLS.
Even if you count it, it’s a spring-summer sport whereas NBA is basically be opposite season.

We have the Royals/SKC play 100+ home games together during the spring/summer and nobody sees it as a problem.

But the Chiefs with their 8 home games in the winter CANT handle an NBA team? Insanity.

See what I’m saying? We easily have the room for NBA team since we sorely lack a winter time sport.
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No everyone is saying Royals is a problem. The stadium is empty even on the busiest days.
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normalthings wrote: Sun Sep 11, 2022 2:48 pm No everyone is saying Royals is a problem. The stadium is empty even on the busiest days.
1. That's mostly because they're a shitty team
2. New stadium will be much smaller
3. New stadium should more fans regardless
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AlkaliAxel wrote: Sun Sep 11, 2022 2:54 pm
normalthings wrote: Sun Sep 11, 2022 2:48 pm No everyone is saying Royals is a problem. The stadium is empty even on the busiest days.
1. That's mostly because they're a shitty team
2. New stadium will be much smaller
3. New stadium should more fans regardless
A new stadium won’t solve every problem.
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normalthings wrote: Sun Sep 11, 2022 2:55 pm
AlkaliAxel wrote: Sun Sep 11, 2022 2:54 pm
normalthings wrote: Sun Sep 11, 2022 2:48 pm No everyone is saying Royals is a problem. The stadium is empty even on the busiest days.
1. That's mostly because they're a shitty team
2. New stadium will be much smaller
3. New stadium should more fans regardless
A new stadium won’t solve every problem.
Honestly it's 90% because of the how incompetent & shitty the team is. It's really sad.
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AlkaliAxel wrote: Sun Sep 11, 2022 2:55 pm
normalthings wrote: Sun Sep 11, 2022 2:55 pm
AlkaliAxel wrote: Sun Sep 11, 2022 2:54 pm

1. That's mostly because they're a shitty team
2. New stadium will be much smaller
3. New stadium should more fans regardless
A new stadium won’t solve every problem.
Honestly it's 90% because of the how incompetent & shitty the team is. It's really sad.
I’m just saying STL has just as many pro-teams now and seems to support them just as well if not better.

Ofc no NFL but even their MLS team has off the charts season ticket demand
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Honestly, I really only want an NBA team for the development aspect of it and bringing more people DT. It's SO boring to watch and I'm not even interested in the personalities of the players anymore. They need a fullscale overhaul of that sport.
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