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A 500 unit apartment building on that site would be at least 30 floors.

Wow. Before 4L…now that is some big breaking news on this site…

I thought the 500 units are split between two parcels. Not saying this means the buildings will be short or anything, but if each side of the street gets 250 each, then you could have two, 20-story buildings. Condensing all 500 into one building would be unheard of here (at least for right now).

DColeKC wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 1:41 pm

normalthings wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 11:58 am Next before 4 Light?

Yes.

But after Midland?

Chris Stritzel wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 2:50 pm I thought the 500 units are split between two parcels. Not saying this means the buildings will be short or anything, but if each side of the street gets 250 each, then you could have two, 20-story buildings. Condensing all 500 into one building would be unheard of here (at least for right now).

This is what I have heard as well. Personally, rather see both parcels developed at around 20 floors with good ground floor activation. Would create a interesting staircase effect from the Crossroads, to the Light towers, and finally to the current tallest buildings on 12th Street.

Chris Stritzel wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 2:50 pm I thought the 500 units are split between two parcels. Not saying this means the buildings will be short or anything, but if each side of the street gets 250 each, then you could have two, 20-story buildings. Condensing all 500 into one building would be unheard of here (at least for right now).

Yeah, I didn't think it was supposed to be a 20+ story development but wondering how you fit 800 parking spots and 500 units on 1.5 acres without going up?

Cratedigger wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 2:57 pm

DColeKC wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 1:41 pm

normalthings wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 11:58 am Next before 4 Light?

Yes.

But after Midland?

Midland should be starting anytime, so this project could be happening at the same time.

Shouldn't name it "sky" if it's not going to be tall. Just ripe for getting poked fun at.

KCPowercat wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 6:08 pm Shouldn't name it "sky" if it's not going to be tall. Just ripe for getting poked fun at.

Sky is just the name of the co-developer iirc

There's supposed to be 85k sqft of office or retail space included as well.

I'm still processing that is coming before 4L. Does that mean 4L isn't even close to coming?

UMKC Roo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 6:21 pm I'm still processing that is coming before 4L. Does that mean 4L isn't even close to coming?

It's in the early design stages and is in the pipeline but this project makes more sense to get started next.

normalthings wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 6:11 pm

KCPowercat wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 6:08 pm Shouldn't name it "sky" if it's not going to be tall. Just ripe for getting poked fun at.

Sky is just the name of the co-developer iirc

okay. point remains.

DColeKC wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 6:07 pm

Chris Stritzel wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 2:50 pm I thought the 500 units are split between two parcels. Not saying this means the buildings will be short or anything, but if each side of the street gets 250 each, then you could have two, 20-story buildings. Condensing all 500 into one building would be unheard of here (at least for right now).

Yeah, I didn't think it was supposed to be a 20+ story development but wondering how you fit 800 parking spots and 500 units on 1.5 acres without going up?

Parking could always be reduced (and should be). If 500 spaces were built for 1:1 apartment parking, I guarantee over 100 of those would be constantly vacant, then you could offer some public parking. 800 seems like overkill considering all the parking nearby. And unless the parking garage entrance and exits were on Truman Road, I imagine the Streetcar authority would oppose entrances and exits on Main (prevent backups). I’m sure Cordish and their architect have this being worked out.

I'm surprised Cordish would do this before Four Light or whatever because I thought the towers in the original plan were already approved for incentives. The Light buildings all got basically free parking structures which are like 20 million each or something like that. Are they going to get anywhere near such incentives for this project? It just seems like Cordish would have more to gain (profit) by building the next Light tower.

GRID wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 12:20 am I'm surprised Cordish would do this before Four Light or whatever because I thought the towers in the original plan were already approved for incentives. The Light buildings all got basically free parking structures which are like 20 million each or something like that. Are they going to get anywhere near such incentives for this project? It just seems like Cordish would have more to gain (profit) by building the next Light tower.

I think the 80,000 square feet of retail could be the driving factor and the ability to offer a more affordable mix of apartments. Which they may feel is more likely to fill up over the next several years.

Possibility of four light including a high end hotel likely factors in and four light has always been planned to be the most prominent building in stature and height.

Yes retail is obviously Cordish strength

This is not just a Cordish development proposal, Sky Real Estate and J.E. Dunn also are involved: https://cityscenekc.com/downtown-apartm ... -deadline/

KCPowercat wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 10:25 am Yes retail is obviously Cordish strength

It is nationwide. Not to mention 80,000 sqft is just about right for a big retailer.

Why push 4 Light forward if they are also doing this? Maybe this is going forward as retail + office?