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SingleMalt12 wrote: Sat Jan 22, 2022 9:25 pm
KCPowercat wrote: Wed Nov 03, 2021 5:37 pm oh sure it looks okay in the air, take a spin around streetview

https://www.google.com/maps/place/DELMA ... 83.0423677
I live in Detroit so I don't need to rely on streetview. There are three casinos in or near downtown Detroit. They aren't the story of downtown. Dan Gilbert is. Billions invested in new & rehab. REsidential, retail, commercial, restaurants, etc. Thousands of jobs downtown. Google has an office in the office building part of the basketball/hockey arena. Bottom line: if you want a better downtown you need a billionaire or two who want to leave a legacy. Casinos are not going to do it.
I guess Stan Durwood did that in KC to a lesser extent. Cliff Illig has decided his legacy will be at VIllage West. The Garmin guys haven't really done anything legacy related yet.
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normalthings wrote: Sat Jan 22, 2022 10:13 pm
SingleMalt12 wrote: Sat Jan 22, 2022 9:25 pm
KCPowercat wrote: Wed Nov 03, 2021 5:37 pm oh sure it looks okay in the air, take a spin around streetview

https://www.google.com/maps/place/DELMA ... 83.0423677
I live in Detroit so I don't need to rely on streetview. There are three casinos in or near downtown Detroit. They aren't the story of downtown. Dan Gilbert is. Billions invested in new & rehab. REsidential, retail, commercial, restaurants, etc. Thousands of jobs downtown. Google has an office in the office building part of the basketball/hockey arena. Bottom line: if you want a better downtown you need a billionaire or two who want to leave a legacy. Casinos are not going to do it.
I guess Stan Durwood did that in KC to a lesser extent. Cliff Illig has decided his legacy will be at VIllage West. The Garmin guys haven't really done anything legacy related yet.
They do a marathon. Practically Rockefeller out here.
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Anthony_Hugo98 wrote: Sat Jan 22, 2022 10:15 pm
normalthings wrote: Sat Jan 22, 2022 10:13 pm
SingleMalt12 wrote: Sat Jan 22, 2022 9:25 pm

I live in Detroit so I don't need to rely on streetview. There are three casinos in or near downtown Detroit. They aren't the story of downtown. Dan Gilbert is. Billions invested in new & rehab. REsidential, retail, commercial, restaurants, etc. Thousands of jobs downtown. Google has an office in the office building part of the basketball/hockey arena. Bottom line: if you want a better downtown you need a billionaire or two who want to leave a legacy. Casinos are not going to do it.
I guess Stan Durwood did that in KC to a lesser extent. Cliff Illig has decided his legacy will be at VIllage West. The Garmin guys haven't really done anything legacy related yet.
They do a marathon. Practically Rockefeller out here.
Stowers & Bloch with downtown HQs and investments in and around UMKC. I guess what we lack is a multi-billionaire and/or local who fully controls a mega corp.
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SingleMalt12 wrote: Sat Jan 22, 2022 9:25 pm
KCPowercat wrote: Wed Nov 03, 2021 5:37 pm oh sure it looks okay in the air, take a spin around streetview

https://www.google.com/maps/place/DELMA ... 83.0423677
I live in Detroit so I don't need to rely on streetview. There are three casinos in or near downtown Detroit. They aren't the story of downtown. Dan Gilbert is. Billions invested in new & rehab. REsidential, retail, commercial, restaurants, etc. Thousands of jobs downtown. Google has an office in the office building part of the basketball/hockey arena. Bottom line: if you want a better downtown you need a billionaire or two who want to leave a legacy. Casinos are not going to do it.
Billions have been invested in downtown KC with nearly 1 billion by one developer alone. A downtown casino was just an idea and I don’t think anyone on here believes we need one to help with anything. No offense, but while smaller, KC has a much better downtown than Detroit at the moment.
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If Ballys is serious about making the Casino KC site not garbage, then there won’t even be a need for a downtown casino in the future. SC to its front door is basically all the more DT KC needs a casino
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SingleMalt12 wrote: Sat Jan 22, 2022 9:25 pm
KCPowercat wrote: Wed Nov 03, 2021 5:37 pm oh sure it looks okay in the air, take a spin around streetview

https://www.google.com/maps/place/DELMA ... 83.0423677
I live in Detroit so I don't need to rely on streetview. There are three casinos in or near downtown Detroit. They aren't the story of downtown. Dan Gilbert is. Billions invested in new & rehab. REsidential, retail, commercial, restaurants, etc. Thousands of jobs downtown. Google has an office in the office building part of the basketball/hockey arena. Bottom line: if you want a better downtown you need a billionaire or two who want to leave a legacy. Casinos are not going to do it.
yeah I'm not sure why you quoted me here with that response. I was responding that casinos downtown kill downtowns pedestrian experience.
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Anthony_Hugo98 wrote: Sat Jan 22, 2022 10:30 pm If Ballys is serious about making the Casino KC site not garbage, then there won’t even be a need for a downtown casino in the future. SC to its front door is basically all the more DT KC needs a casino
i wonder if they will expand the gaming floor. Smaller then peers if I remember right.

A hotel at Bally's makes a lot more sense with the women's stadium down there
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DColeKC wrote: Sat Jan 22, 2022 10:25 pm
SingleMalt12 wrote: Sat Jan 22, 2022 9:25 pm
KCPowercat wrote: Wed Nov 03, 2021 5:37 pm oh sure it looks okay in the air, take a spin around streetview

https://www.google.com/maps/place/DELMA ... 83.0423677
I live in Detroit so I don't need to rely on streetview. There are three casinos in or near downtown Detroit. They aren't the story of downtown. Dan Gilbert is. Billions invested in new & rehab. REsidential, retail, commercial, restaurants, etc. Thousands of jobs downtown. Google has an office in the office building part of the basketball/hockey arena. Bottom line: if you want a better downtown you need a billionaire or two who want to leave a legacy. Casinos are not going to do it.
Billions have been invested in downtown KC with nearly 1 billion by one developer alone. A downtown casino was just an idea and I don’t think anyone on here believes we need one to help with anything. No offense, but while smaller, KC has a much better downtown than Detroit at the moment.
i mostly brought the cordish thing up cause its an interesting piece of history and the hotel tower is a cool design. want the hotel for downtown
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As legendary Kansas Citian Walt Bodine would say, "You betcha!"
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normalthings wrote: Sat Jan 22, 2022 10:51 pm
Anthony_Hugo98 wrote: Sat Jan 22, 2022 10:30 pm If Ballys is serious about making the Casino KC site not garbage, then there won’t even be a need for a downtown casino in the future. SC to its front door is basically all the more DT KC needs a casino
i wonder if they will expand the gaming floor. Smaller then peers if I remember right.

A hotel at Bally's makes a lot more sense with the women's stadium down there
Went down to the riverfront tonight and flew the drone around a bit. A hotel here would have some fantastic views

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Might be old news but tonight was the first night I’d seen it lit up

Looks neat. Will be cool to see in Teal on match days
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normalthings wrote: Sat Oct 22, 2022 6:11 pm
DaveKCMO wrote: Thu Oct 20, 2022 6:04 pm
Cratedigger wrote: Tue Oct 18, 2022 10:57 pm Parks department needs revenue. Is there any possibility of a public private partnership that helps fund maintenance to downtown parks + gives us a destination restaurant on the river?

Also if Bally’s is smart they’ll take advantage of this exact opportunity when they renovate their casino
They won't, but yes replace that parking lot with the hotel and a riverfront restaurant instead of putting it next to the freeway embankment (which I think is the plan?).
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This is one of the oldest site maps. But hotel will be connected to casino and right by the main entrance. 03 and 02 on the map is where hotel is going iirc
https://www.bizjournals.com/kansascity/ ... asino.html

Bally's beginning to work with the Port and a hotel partner to evaluate building a hotel on site.
Rhode Island-based Bally's and Overland Park-based True North Hotel Group have discussed building a 123-room hotel outside Bally's Kansas City Casino. The casino owner has expressed interest in pursuing the possibility, according to its landlord, the Port Authority of Kansas City. Port commissioners on Monday authorized amendments to the casino's lease terms with the local agency and city that would need to be executed before such a hotel could be built.
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I know casinos are tied to the river by law, but I'd love to see Missouri cut that requirement and see KC build a Vegas-style casino somewhere downtown. I just think you get a first class casino with all the bells and whistles that it would really be additive to attracting convention business and complimentary to people coming into town for T-Mobile Center and possibly downtown Royals games in the future. I just think it was a major mistake by Missouri to put casinos off on their own islands to where they're disproportionately used by gambling addicts. I've literally been to Vegas more than I've been to KC casinos.
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KCFan wrote: Thu Oct 19, 2023 9:31 am I know casinos are tied to the river by law, but I'd love to see Missouri cut that requirement and see KC build a Vegas-style casino somewhere downtown. I just think you get a first class casino with all the bells and whistles that it would really be additive to attracting convention business and complimentary to people coming into town for T-Mobile Center and possibly downtown Royals games in the future. I just think it was a major mistake by Missouri to put casinos off on their own islands to where they're disproportionately used by gambling addicts. I've literally been to Vegas more than I've been to KC casinos.
I have so many incoherent thoughts about this. I am not convinced we’ve made the right choice as a society as far as this goes. But if we’re going to do it, make it fun?

It’s kinda like should there be a strip club on main? Maybe no? If you decide to have one should you be able to see tits? I think yeah?
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WoodDraw wrote: Sun Oct 22, 2023 9:34 pm
KCFan wrote: Thu Oct 19, 2023 9:31 am I know casinos are tied to the river by law, but I'd love to see Missouri cut that requirement and see KC build a Vegas-style casino somewhere downtown. I just think you get a first class casino with all the bells and whistles that it would really be additive to attracting convention business and complimentary to people coming into town for T-Mobile Center and possibly downtown Royals games in the future. I just think it was a major mistake by Missouri to put casinos off on their own islands to where they're disproportionately used by gambling addicts. I've literally been to Vegas more than I've been to KC casinos.
I have so many incoherent thoughts about this. I am not convinced we’ve made the right choice as a society as far as this goes. But if we’re going to do it, make it fun?

It’s kinda like should there be a strip club on main? Maybe no? If you decide to have one should you be able to see tits? I think yeah?
Casinos are absolutely horrendous for all sorts of reasons. I'm so glad KC does not have them outside the "boats". Urban casinos are the WORST.
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