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CrossroadsUrbanApts wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 3:51 pm Thanks again for all the great feedback. Two other questions that I'm working through:

On a typical townhome, the master bedroom and secondary bedrooms are on the top floor. For a typical-sized townhome (~1,700-1,800 SF, ~22 feet wide), you generally see configurations with 2 bedrooms or 3 bedrooms on the top floor. With a two-bedroom layout, you get a good-sized master bedroom and a nice-sized second bedroom. In a three-bedroom layout, you typically see a decent-sized master bedroom (with en-suite bathroom) and two very small secondary bedrooms sharing a hall bath. Think kid-sized bedrooms.

For a market like downtown KCMO/Columbus Park, do you think a 2-bedroom or 3-bedroom plan for the top floor would be more desirable? Assume you can carve out a small additional space on the ground floor next to the garage, for a ground floor office or workout room or similar. Typically this room is quite small, so hard to count as a full bedroom, especially if no bathroom on ground floor.

For families with children, there is a big advantage to the 3-bedroom top floor scenario. But I could see a childless couple preferring two larger bedrooms on the top floor. What do you think?

Last question, a lot of people chimed in on the desirability of outdoor space. Totally agreed. If you could have an outdoor deck, would you prefer it located off the top floor (say, accessed through the master bedroom), or accessed off the kitchen/dining level? The latter seems more usable to me but obviously wouldn't have the greater view possibilities of an outdoor deck off the top floor.

smh wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 6:17 pm I like the layout of the Gallerie townhomes for the most part. I would contrast that to the two townhomes on Wyandotte in River Market that seem very wonky in their layout.

Wonky being a scientific term of course.

Depending on the site, I'd value a usable front porch.

taxi wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 1:08 pm

smh wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 6:17 pm I like the layout of the Gallerie townhomes for the most part. I would contrast that to the two townhomes on Wyandotte in River Market that seem very wonky in their layout.

Wonky being a scientific term of course.

Depending on the site, I'd value a usable front porch.

A lot of talk about a front porch, but consider this: those 2 townhouses on Wyandotte at 4th both have usable front porches that never get used. They also have nice, usable front and back balconies that rarely get used. They have rooftop decks that get used a ton. Would love to hear some thoughts on this to assess another project.
https://www.google.com/maps/place/401+W ... 94.5853666
Are they too close to the street? Too isolated (no other row houses nearby)? Not private enough?

wahoowa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 2:14 pm the residents' use of those particular units are probably affected by the fact that they exist in a large sea of cars and not much else, both (obviously) behind and to the sides in the parking lot but also with street parking out front and more parking lots and garages across the street.

taxi wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 1:08 pm

smh wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 6:17 pm I like the layout of the Gallerie townhomes for the most part. I would contrast that to the two townhomes on Wyandotte in River Market that seem very wonky in their layout.

Wonky being a scientific term of course.

Depending on the site, I'd value a usable front porch.

A lot of talk about a front porch, but consider this: those 2 townhouses on Wyandotte at 4th both have usable front porches that never get used. They also have nice, usable front and back balconies that rarely get used. They have rooftop decks that get used a ton. Would love to hear some thoughts on this to assess another project.
https://www.google.com/maps/place/401+W ... 94.5853666
Are they too close to the street? Too isolated (no other row houses nearby)? Not private enough?

taxi wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 2:24 pm

wahoowa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 2:14 pm the residents' use of those particular units are probably affected by the fact that they exist in a large sea of cars and not much else, both (obviously) behind and to the sides in the parking lot but also with street parking out front and more parking lots and garages across the street.

Thanks, that's kind of what I thought.

flyingembryo, thanks for the erroneous and non-constructive comment. 2 of 100,000 is, by definition, a statistic. Please do not feel the need to reply.

normalthings wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 5:03 pm I would love if we could get something other than grey when it comes to exterior colors.

CrossroadsUrbanApts wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 4:51 pm The Gallerie townhomes that smh brings up are a good example of what I was thinking - the end units have three bedrooms up top (and are slightly larger overall) and the middle units have two bedrooms up top. I think end units are about 1,800 SF and middle houses about 1,670 SF.

As a parent with elementary age children, I really like the units with 3BR up top. But this is likely a case where I am overly putting myself in the shoes of the end buyer.