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Interesting chart showing potential timeline.

https://twitter.com/RobinWigg/status/12 ... 56/photo/1

I’d prefer taking a chance of a quick death from COVID than a slow death from poverty. Just saying

According to ABC News:

Every US state now reporting deaths from COVID-19.

23,078 known deaths nationwide. *Most deaths reported are from hospitals; many nursing homes and home deaths from COVID-19 aren't reported.

10,056 deaths in New York state. New hospitalizations down in the state of New York though.

Surge of cases in Pennsylvania will arrive next week.

Massachusetts reports 45 percent of its' 800+ deaths are in nursing homes.

The World Health Organization says it doesn't yet know if someone who has had COVID-19 can get it again--and they don't know whether it would be a reactivated virus, or a new infection. Some are concerned immunity could weaken over time, and also concerned about reliability of antibody tests.

Convalescent donor plasma might provide treatment for COVID-19. This is antibodies from a recovered person.

Concerns about possible second wave of infections in China.

zlohban wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 5:45 pm I’d prefer taking a chance of a quick death from COVID than a slow death from poverty. Just saying

Some people prefer not to be sacrificed for the economy

^They have the option to isolate. And while 'stay at home' is fairly effective you can't assume it's the only effective option. Safer precautions (requiring PPEs) rather than doing nothing in workplace also can be.

NY State showing a decline in cases but they are also slowing down the testing. The rate of positive tests relative to total tests is still in 38%-40% range despite weeks of lockdown. Queens/Kings/Bronx fairly close to 50%, still significant hotspots. 'Stay at home' clearly helps some but we shouldn't assume it's the only option. There can be other ways to get workforce back while keeping infection rates as low as 'stay at home'. Requiring masks if out in public is now mandated in California. Will be interesting to see if that improves infection rates.

earthling wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:34 pm ^They have the option to isolate. And while 'stay at home' is fairly effective you can't assume it's the only effective option. Safer precautions (requiring PPEs) rather than doing nothing in workplace also can be.

Thank God we have a surplus of ppe around.

^PPE production should be a top 5 global priority, including working with the supply chains for materials. The Feds or someone like Bill Gates Foundation should buy 3M's N95 mask patent and make it license free globally. Some in Congress are calling for 3M to release the patent. Blitz the planet with PPEs until vaccine is available.

Agreed.

TheLastGentleman wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:29 pm

zlohban wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 5:45 pm I’d prefer taking a chance of a quick death from COVID than a slow death from poverty. Just saying

Some people prefer not to be sacrificed for the economy

Plus, NOBODY is as good at social distancing as they think they are. If they were, we wouldn't be seeing spreads in nursing homes or in jails/prisons.

Dr. Hendrik Streeck of the Bonn University Institute of Virology is claiming the virus is spread by long term contact, not casual, which explains nursing homes.

Received a back to work survey today from my employer. Making plans.

And his claim runs directly counter to what both the CDC and NIH have found.

zlohban wrote: ↑Tue Apr 14, 2020 11:47 am Dr. Hendrik Streeck of the Bonn University Institute of Virology is claiming the virus is spread by long term contact, not casual, which explains nursing homes.

Received a back to work survey today from my employer. Making plans.

But doesn't explain the Biogen conference, unless your definition of long term is about a a workday.

Has anyone seen any speculation on why the infection rate in the St. Louis area is running so much higher than ours? Their per capita rate is 2x to 3x the rate in our area.

https://health.mo.gov/living/healthcond ... esults.php
(Use the smaller map embedded in the page to see the # of cases per 100,000 as you hover over each jurisdiction.)

Someone on this board had said anecdotally that StL wasn't doing much in the way of social distancing early on.

We are very fortunate that our metro got out in front of this in a unified way.

scooterj wrote: ↑Tue Apr 14, 2020 3:53 pm Has anyone seen any speculation on why the infection rate in the St. Louis area is running so much higher than ours? Their per capita rate is 2x to 3x the rate in our area.

https://health.mo.gov/living/healthcond ... esults.php
(Use the smaller map embedded in the page to see the # of cases per 100,000 as you hover over each jurisdiction.)

Better question

How does Jackson County have the highest rate in the state, St. Louis #2, St. Louis county #4 while KC is in 27th per capita?

It's not comparing cities 4 hours apart, if you travel 10 minutes the per capita rate is 5x higher.

Is it timing, that KC jumped to shut things down so much quicker?

Maybe this is why NYC is down, they are using a new protocol and going away from ventilators
https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2020/04/14 ... ntilators/

https://youtu.be/k9GYTc53r2o

I think doctors are figuring out how to fight this in NYC by patient and they are kind of doing this on the fly, I just don't know if this protocol is widespread and probably varies on case by case basis

Some are saying diamox could help, it's an altitude sickness drug.
https://www.medicinenet.com/script/main ... key=230110

Any opinions on how coronavirus might change the nature of bi-state/regional cooperation in the future? (In general, not just on health care.)

grovester wrote: ↑Tue Apr 14, 2020 4:26 pm Someone on this board had said anecdotally that StL wasn't doing much in the way of social distancing early on.

We are very fortunate that our metro got out in front of this in a unified way.

That and KC metro hospitals aren't regularly reporting positive COVID cases. They are urged to do so by the Missouri HSS, but all reporting is only voluntary.

JCPENNYS could go Bankrupted.