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DColeKC wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 2:24 pm Update: 4L is being designed now with plans to announce more information this year, including ground breaking target date.

My only worry is this pending recession I'm hearing about.
Are they designing for the theatre spot?
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Guess I should have said my only worry is how the recession will impact construction. You can make the argument that building commercially is advantageous during a recession.
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Makes sense to get the design advanced to have some flexibility. Cordish has always waited for their current project (in this case 3l) to lease and stabilize to a point they’re happy with before moving forward. Don’t expect anything different here.
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AlkaliAxel wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 4:53 pm We already have 3L pushed off because of economy. Now 4L too? Yeah, let's get this thing built as quickly as possible.
3L being delayed had nothing to do with the economy. It was delayed because of the city council, then scaled down because of the delay they caused.
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One Rangers Way by Cordish was announced for Texas. This project isn't a high-rise but the design is great imho.

https://www.wfaa.com/article/money/cons ... a733ae50ec

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They should build something like this on the old Hilton Inn site at 7th and Washington.

https://kchistory.org/image/hilton-inn ... ffset%5D=1

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1080365 ... a=!3m1!1e3
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This will be a battle I am sure of it. Doesn't matter what the agreement calls for
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normalthings wrote: Tue May 17, 2022 10:23 pm This will be a battle I am sure of it. Doesn't matter what the agreement calls for
Well since the Midland affordable housing project hasn't begun construction yet, maybe Cordish can time that to help 4L's optics
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freedog wrote: Wed May 18, 2022 10:59 am
normalthings wrote: Tue May 17, 2022 10:23 pm This will be a battle I am sure of it. Doesn't matter what the agreement calls for
Well since the Midland affordable housing project hasn't begun construction yet, maybe Cordish can time that to help 4L's optics
Considering that is 3Light's affordable component. Maybe not.....
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normalthings wrote: Wed May 18, 2022 10:49 pm
freedog wrote: Wed May 18, 2022 10:59 am
normalthings wrote: Tue May 17, 2022 10:23 pm This will be a battle I am sure of it. Doesn't matter what the agreement calls for
Well since the Midland affordable housing project hasn't begun construction yet, maybe Cordish can time that to help 4L's optics
Considering that is 3Light's affordable component. Maybe not.....
Fair. Just to be able to say, “Oh we’re not just a luxury developer- look at what we’re working on now!” As the 4L discussion is happening.

You’re right though, seems like everything downtown is a battle. Would this be any different?
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DColeKC wrote: Sun May 15, 2022 2:15 pm One Rangers Way by Cordish was announced for Texas. This project isn't a high-rise but the design is great imho.

https://www.wfaa.com/article/money/cons ... a733ae50ec

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Love this design, would be a great fit for downtown, especially given the hills we have that give certain blocks higher elevations over the next. Would be a neat fit.
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No thank you to that car-centric, pedestrian-hostile Texas design, especially not downtown
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phuqueue wrote: Thu May 19, 2022 12:28 pm No thank you to that car-centric, pedestrian-hostile Texas design, especially not downtown
Concur, this isn't appealing. Whatever is made needs to be wrapped around the theatre and include some store facing the park too ideally.
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It would look cool perched up by Lincoln High School but not so much in the loop.
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dukuboy1 wrote: Thu May 19, 2022 8:47 am
DColeKC wrote: Sun May 15, 2022 2:15 pm One Rangers Way by Cordish was announced for Texas. This project isn't a high-rise but the design is great imho.

https://www.wfaa.com/article/money/cons ... a733ae50ec

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Love this design, would be a great fit for downtown, especially given the hills we have that give certain blocks higher elevations over the next. Would be a neat fit.
Agreed, those setbacks are excessive. KCMO really needsto reduce/ eliminate setback requirements, parking minimums and height limitations or flip it to make required maximum setbacks, minimum heights or maximum parking allowed psf.
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Yeah I don’t get what’s attractive about that. Those setbacks are brutal and at best it looks like a hotel with the circle drive.
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Heard some rumors on where this is at in the process. I'd say late summer/early fall there will be some sort of announcement on the intentions here.
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So when does election season start for the council? This winter? Primaries in Feb, final election in April? I got to think that will play heavily in the timing of things.
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WoodDraw wrote: Thu May 19, 2022 1:41 pm Yeah I don’t get what’s attractive about that. Those setbacks are brutal and at best it looks like a hotel with the circle drive.
Some people want to feel like they live in a high end hotel.

Regardless, this design is very specific to the overall project in Texas Live so I wouldn’t expect anything like this in KC.

4L will be nothing like this. I dropped the link to show some diversity in their projects across the country.
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kboish wrote: Fri May 20, 2022 8:07 am So when does election season start for the council? This winter? Primaries in Feb, final election in April? I got to think that will play heavily in the timing of things.
It's started -- as defined by candidates filing, raising money, having public events.
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