Armory Block Redevelopment at 3620 Main

[TheUrbanRoo]

As long as they're developing it I'll take it. Midtown is so dumbass about approving residential this might actually stand a better chance.

I'm also convinced at this point we're not gonna see any real development in Midtown corridor until after the streetcar opens they numbers show that people are using it in that corridor.

[KCtoBrooklyn]

I was wondering if Exact had bitten off more than they could chew. They have quite a few proposals, many of which seem stalled or moving very slowly.

They are also selling their lots/project at 27th and Troost.

[rxlexi]

This is particularly disappointing; I was looking forward to this as one of the flagship redevelopments along the Main Street extension. Now "maybe" an event space and Goodwill moving next door; no new construction at all.

Biz Journal mentions Exact had difficulty finding hotel or food hall operators with an appetite for a small format. I imagine they may be a bit over-committed, as others have mentioned. Either way, big bummer...

[Metro]

Why does it *Seem* like there has been very little develop on Main? You would think every block would have new projects on it with the street car coming in. Walking around Main in Midtown this summer it seemed pretty dead honestly.

[alejandro46]

Partially, I think the increase in interest rates and generally difficult market conditions are forcing some developers to re-evaluate as well as unfriendly development policies from City Hall.

I'm curious if there is a report about the pace of ongoing development on Main and well as a report of parcel by parcel of vacant lots. Off the top of my head, projects included the 45th St old hotel lot and the MAC U.S. Bank development were both failed proposals.

[Jblanco]

Random violent crime, drivers that could care less about running people over, no (zero) police presence, KC Tenants, random violent crime, bad drivers, inept City Hall leadership, KC Tenants, random violent crime, no police - anywhere. Wash, rinse, repeat for decades. The city has invested a ton of money/resources into the new streetcar ext and nobody cares. Developers despise this city's leadership and have for decades, perhaps for good reason.

Other than the Katz development and Trinity, is there a single other project that hasn't fell through?

[FangKC]

Random violent crime, drivers that could care less about running people over, no (zero) police presence, KC Tenants, random violent crime, bad drivers, inept City Hall leadership, KC Tenants, random violent crime, no police - anywhere. Wash, rinse, repeat for decades. The city has invested a ton of money/resources into the new streetcar ext and nobody cares. Developers despise this city's leadership and have for decades, perhaps for good reason.

Other than the Katz development and Trinity, is there a single other project that hasn't fell through?

170 buyers would disagree with you.

“This is where a lot of energy is going to be in the coming years because, despite being dense, there are still lots of opportunities for new developments ranging from small to large,” Stritzel said. “If the streetcar wasn’t going in a block away, it’s highly likely we would’ve never considered these parcels for a new development.”

His project sites will join more than 170 other properties that buyers have scooped up along or near the 3.5-mile southern streetcar extension from Union Station to 51st and Main streets. The total value of the properties sold already may have approached or exceeded the $351.7 million price tag of the extension, according to a review of records by the Kansas City Business Journal.

https://www.bizjournals.com/kansascity/ ... ments.html

I don't doubt KCMO has problems, but:

There was just a shooting at Oak Park Mall which is located in an affluent suburb.

Overland Park has also had NIMBYs who oppose the development of former golf courses and denser apartment developments on former retail sites.

Mission, Kansas, has waited for years for the Gateway redevelopment of the former mall site along Shawnee Mission Parkway.

Prairie Village just elected new anti-development council members opposed to building residential apartments in that community.

Clay County recently had what appeared to be a series of scandals with the County Commission doing questionable things and its citizens demanding a state audit of county spending.

North Kansas City had a former mayor and council who spent like drunken sailors and ran up a lot of debt for that city--spending more than the city was taking in--even with casino money. NKC even floated selling North Kansas City Hospital because of this overspending.

Yet, KCMO has had billions spent in development over the past 15 years. Kansas City has also received positive media coverage, and appeared on many national lists over the past decade, which you can find on the "lists" thread.

Your constant negative comments and apparent hatred of KCMO tell us more about you than the City. If you hate it so much, why don't you move to another metro area?

You really are verging on boorish behavior at this point.

[Chris Stritzel]

And for the record, the deal I eluded to in the article was for the lots at 31st and Grand. The project fell apart due to a number of factors, but it would've been a fun one! We're always looking nearby!

Our decision to drop that project wasn't because of "crime" or "KCTenants" or "City officials". The economic conditions just weren't right for a small team. Even if we sought incentives, the increase in interest rates and high material costs forced us to exhaust all options and eventually allow the property to go back up on the market (someone else has at least the big lot under contract right now).

[im2kull]

Why does it *Seem* like there has been very little develop on Main? You would think every block would have new projects on it with the street car coming in. Walking around Main in Midtown this summer it seemed pretty dead honestly.

I mean, there have been massive proposals presented for Main Street that have been blockaded by KC tenants and stalled by our local politicians...

[FangKC]

There are often setbacks in development. That doesn't mean that the developer won't come back with a different plan for a parcel.

There were three different proposals, over many years, for what became the Power & Light District before it actually got built.

[Metro]

Why does it *Seem* like there has been very little develop on Main? You would think every block would have new projects on it with the street car coming in. Walking around Main in Midtown this summer it seemed pretty dead honestly.

I mean, there have been massive proposals presented for Main Street that have been blockaded by KC tenants and stalled by our local politicians...

It's a shame Lucas hasn't denounced folks like Hartzell & Jaz Hayes two extremist who will only circle this town down the drain

[alejandro46]

Random violent crime, drivers that could care less about running people over, no (zero) police presence, KC Tenants, random violent crime, bad drivers, inept City Hall leadership, KC Tenants, random violent crime, no police - anywhere. Wash, rinse, repeat for decades. The city has invested a ton of money/resources into the new streetcar ext and nobody cares. Developers despise this city's leadership and have for decades, perhaps for good reason.

Other than the Katz development and Trinity, is there a single other project that hasn't fell through?

170 buyers would disagree with you.

“This is where a lot of energy is going to be in the coming years because, despite being dense, there are still lots of opportunities for new developments ranging from small to large,” Stritzel said. “If the streetcar wasn’t going in a block away, it’s highly likely we would’ve never considered these parcels for a new development.”

His project sites will join more than 170 other properties that buyers have scooped up along or near the 3.5-mile southern streetcar extension from Union Station to 51st and Main streets. The total value of the properties sold already may have approached or exceeded the $351.7 million price tag of the extension, according to a review of records by the Kansas City Business Journal.

https://www.bizjournals.com/kansascity/ ... ments.html

I don't doubt KCMO has problems, but:

There was just a shooting at Oak Park Mall which is located in an affluent suburb.

Overland Park has also had NIMBYs who oppose the development of former golf courses and denser apartment developments on former retail sites.

Mission, Kansas, has waited for years for the Gateway redevelopment of the former mall site along Shawnee Mission Parkway.

Prairie Village just elected new anti-development council members opposed to building residential apartments in that community.

Clay County recently had what appeared to be a series of scandals with the County Commission doing questionable things and its citizens demanding a state audit of county spending.

North Kansas City had a former mayor and council who spent like drunken sailors and ran up a lot of debt for that city--spending more than the city was taking in--even with casino money. NKC even floated selling North Kansas City Hospital because of this overspending.

Yet, KCMO has had billions spent in development over the past 15 years. Kansas City has also received positive media coverage, and appeared on many national lists over the past decade, which you can find on the "lists" thread.

Your constant negative comments and apparent hatred of KCMO tell us more about you than the City. If you hate it so much, why don't you move to another metro area?

You really are verging on boorish behavior at this point.

I blocked/ignored this user.

[Jblanco]

You can't admit how screwed up this city is. 170 properties changed hands from the river to 51st? So what? And 99.9% of that is house, lot sales and land swaps. There is no real development. The streetcar extension will have more empty lots than occupied lots. The city is ran by idiots, no wonder you support everything they do. Sycophant.

[Jblanco]

Good! Another snowflake. Unfortunately you vote so nothing will ever change.

[CrossroadsUrbanApts]

Macro economic trends and interest rates explain 90% of the reason more projects are not proceeding along the streetcar line extension. Maybe 9% is due to developers over their heads or just over extended at the moment. Crime and perceptions of disorder are certainly an issue right now, but more of an issue for existing small business owners who are concerned for the livelihoods on multiple levels, including impacts of the streetcar construction itself on their business.

I'm old enough now to remember how many small businesses raised a hue and cry over the starter line. Few would now not say that their businesses benefited in the long-run. Even the map store is still there doing business.

Again, I don't want to overly downplay valid concerns about disorder and crime in Midtown and other parts of city's core from River Market to Waldo. But it doesn't come closely to explaining the current issues facing developers. There are a lot of developers would love to do a project along the streetcar line if financing was available and land prices more reasonable.

[TheSmokinPun]

Good! Another snowflake. Unfortunately you vote so nothing will ever change.

Can we stop with the throwing around of archaic political terms that really shouldn't be allowed on here. This isn't a debate forum, go elsewhere if you want to post like that.

[Metro]

Macro economic trends and interest rates explain 90% of the reason more projects are not proceeding along the streetcar line extension. Maybe 9% is due to developers over their heads or just over extended at the moment. Crime and perceptions of disorder are certainly an issue right now, but more of an issue for existing small business owners who are concerned for the livelihoods on multiple levels, including impacts of the streetcar construction itself on their business.

I'm old enough now to remember how many small businesses raised a hue and cry over the starter line. Few would now not say that their businesses benefited in the long-run. Even the map store is still there doing business.

Again, I don't want to overly downplay valid concerns about disorder and crime in Midtown and other parts of city's core from River Market to Waldo. But it doesn't come closely to explaining the current issues facing developers. There are a lot of developers would love to do a project along the streetcar line if financing was available and land prices more reasonable.

It just seems theres a lack of leadership in our local government and part of the reason being is they cater to some bad actors who don't have a clue on things like growth and prosperity. Midtown development needs to be pretty close to the top of things for the city to accomplish IMO

[Chris Stritzel]

Roof repair ongoing.