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moderne wrote: ↑Fri Aug 18, 2023 1:51 pm Might have to trade in for smaller cars.

Does your building have to do this after 20 years of occupancy? I mean, I don't fault you for asking but it's not on the table.

Unfortunately we have to be happy this is anything but vacant eith that tax mess.

Updated plans uploaded to Compass today. The east facade got a slightly different metal facade. All other sides remain mostly the same except for a few window design changes.

Out of all the downtown projects floated in the last 12 months, this would’ve been one of the very last I’d assume get developed. I would’ve assumed a year ago it would be 4L moving the fastest.

And now it’s 1822 Main moving at rapid speed and 4L that nobody’s even seen a picture of yet.

TheUrbanRoo wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 4:01 pm Out of all the downtown projects floated in the last 12 months, this would’ve been one of the very last I’d assume get developed. I would’ve assumed a year ago it would be 4L moving the fastest.

And now it’s 1822 Main moving at rapid speed and 4L that nobody’s even seen a picture of yet.

Cordish is moving at Cordish's pace. I wouldn't expect to see 4L renderings until Midland is nearly done and 3L is close to full occupancy

The blank space in the middle of the ground level facing mainstreet looks like it’s made to have the old bank facade preserved on it

Maybe they are actually planning on saving it, but want to get press by making a dramatic announcement in the near future that they have found a way to save it as a gift to the city.
And there is a Santa Claus and Easter Bunny.

moderne wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 9:54 pm Maybe they are actually planning on saving it, but want to get press by making a dramatic announcement in the near future that they have found a way to save it as a gift to the city.
And there is a Santa Claus and Easter Bunny.

Oh no, the facade is totally getting obliterated, I just think it’s ironic that the new building will have a perfectly bank-facade sized blank space in basically the same location

TheLastGentleman wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 9:36 pm The blank space in the middle of the ground level facing mainstreet looks like it’s made to have the old bank facade preserved on it

Except it's an elevator and parking garage and not a vintage bank building.

DaveKCMO wrote: ↑Tue Aug 22, 2023 8:20 pm

TheLastGentleman wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 9:36 pm The blank space in the middle of the ground level facing mainstreet looks like it’s made to have the old bank facade preserved on it

Except it's an elevator and parking garage and not a vintage bank building.

In a lot of cities they’ll do what’s called a “facadectomy” where only the front of a historic building is kept, with the new building rising behind it.



Not the most elegant preservation solution obviously but it’s better than just totally losing it

It's the least they could do. That new design is so, uninspiring.

The new "TBD" signage

TBD---Truly Bad Design

This the type of boring mid-rise/high-rise we need plenty more of between the river and crossroads. Ideally with a smaller parking ratio. This is the 3rd? building like this Copaken seems to be starting, and at a steady pace after Reverb and Arterra.

DaveKCMO wrote: ↑Tue Aug 22, 2023 8:20 pm

TheLastGentleman wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 9:36 pm The blank space in the middle of the ground level facing mainstreet looks like it’s made to have the old bank facade preserved on it

Except it's an elevator and parking garage and not a vintage bank building.

That shouldn't stop them from saving the facade if they wanted to. Looks way better than just a blank space they will replace it with. Door doesn't have to open.

In the 1920s-50s, they would have put the name of the apartment building on the blank frontage.

https://www.re-thinkingthefuture.com/a ... 01b8#94101

https://www.messynessychic.com/wp-conte ... rtdeco.jpg

https://virginiaduran.files.wordpress.c ... hauser.jpg

I did a crude cut and paste of the rendering with the saved facade.

Significant NIMBY testimony from residents of Hotel Monore and 1819 Baltimore building. Project had to get a continuance at CPC.

0 pieces of positive testimony, 100% negative over size (height), less than 1-1 parking, 1819 Baltimore garage access, and the use of the alley to access the new project's garage.

Multiple references to:

- Not the Historic Character we love in the Crossroads
- No one even rents apartments in these new buildings
- Doesnt match the height of the neighoring 2 floor buildings
- Parking Concerns (too much and using the alley(instead of main street???) to access)
- 1819 Baltimore tenants can't park C-SUV and larger vehicles anymore by driving through the other site (traffic engineer concepting was also shown that showed you could).





IMHO: 1819's parking concerns are the only maybe legitimate arguement but nearly 100% of negative testimony that did that also attacked the project for being too tall/viewblocker/etc. Makes me doubt the true motiviations. Its also not Copaken's fault their condos require the use of someone's land who they have no easement or claim to.

if you didn't think things could get worse, this project is "too tall" by FAA standards and will have to apply for structure permission and crane permission.

the project is caught up in the same FAA approvals process hitting RiverMarket, RiverFront, EPC, etc.

The proposed development is located in an area where the Charles B. Wheeler Downtown Airport (MKC) height zoning restrictions apply. No structure in this area should be constructed which exceeds these restrictions.
Given the potential height and proximity of this plan to MKC, the proposed development will exceed FAR Part 77, Objects Affecting Navigable Airspace, standards. The proponent/developer has filed an on-line Form 7460-1, Notice of Proposed Construction or Alteration, for permanent vertical improvements or new structures and shall receive a Determination of No Hazard to Air Navigation from the FAA. Temporary cranes used for construction activities extending higher than the proposed top elevation of the building will need to be evaluated for compliance with FAR Part 77 standards as well. The FAA’s Obstruction Evaluation/Airport Airspace Analysis (OE/AAA) website can be accessed at https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/portal.jsp.

langosta wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2023 2:13 am if you didn't think things could get worse, this project is "too tall" by FAA standards and will have to apply for structure permission and crane permission.

the project is caught up in the same FAA approvals process hitting RiverMarket, RiverFront, EPC, etc.

The proposed development is located in an area where the Charles B. Wheeler Downtown Airport (MKC) height zoning restrictions apply. No structure in this area should be constructed which exceeds these restrictions.
Given the potential height and proximity of this plan to MKC, the proposed development will exceed FAR Part 77, Objects Affecting Navigable Airspace, standards. The proponent/developer has filed an on-line Form 7460-1, Notice of Proposed Construction or Alteration, for permanent vertical improvements or new structures and shall receive a Determination of No Hazard to Air Navigation from the FAA. Temporary cranes used for construction activities extending higher than the proposed top elevation of the building will need to be evaluated for compliance with FAR Part 77 standards as well. The FAA’s Obstruction Evaluation/Airport Airspace Analysis (OE/AAA) website can be accessed at https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/portal.jsp.

What the hell really??

Did Arterra or Reverb or the PAC have to go through that as well?