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Here's a linked image from the sales materials...



And here's the link to the sales materials. Should point out that the materials say a new owner 'could' do this on top the garage, so this is probably only a pretty picture to look at.

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Looks really good. The garage seems like an obvious spot to build up as well since there's a streetcar spot & CVS right across the street. Because of that I'd expect this to happen sooner than later.

Looking long term, if we can north loop removed and build on it, projects like this on Main are getting us closer to one whole dense street through downtown.

I moved there back in early ‘19 right after they converted the top two floors (20 & 21), and then renewed a year later without any mention that within weeks they’d begin converting floors 18 & 19. I work from home, so the blaring demo noise that we had to endure from 8 to 5 every day was enough to turn one homicidal. They ended up converting floors 16 & 17 after that; everything below is commercial. I hope that whomever buys it gives slightly more than the fuck all Sovereign gave toward informing and working with existing tenants before beginning future conversions.

freedog wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 12:41 am Seems like a great development and a sustainable use for an older office building.

Hopefully now we can get some newer, quality offices built downtown to replace this office space. Something newer might be more attractive to businesses looking.

New W&R building still available. Office demand needs to return before more construction and there's about 1.8M sqft Class A available along RCP corridor, which could take a while to fill. Focus on residential, office demand will naturally return over time.

There's a national trend of biz reducing office space and upgrading to nicer digs (often from B/C to A). If WFH/hybrid sticks to a higher degree than before pandemic long term, that may continue and spur more Class A downtown as B/C inventory shrinks due to residential conversion.

earthling wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 7:53 am New W&R building still available. Office demand needs to return before more construction and there's about 1.8M sqft Class A available along RCP corridor, which could take a while to fill. Focus on residential, office demand will naturally return over time.

There's a national trend of biz reducing office space and upgrading to nicer digs (often from B/C to A). If WFH/hybrid sticks to a higher degree than before pandemic long term, that may continue and spur more Class A downtown as B/C inventory shrinks due to residential conversion.

I'd strongly agree with this. Focus on people. Retail and office will naturally follow.

Any guesses on next Class B/C office building to go residential?

earthling wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 10:43 am Any guesses on next Class B/C office building to go residential?

Wasn’t UMB interested in selling the RA Long building on Grand a while back? That could be a good renovation if they’re not using it much

beautyfromashes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 9:30 am

earthling wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 7:53 am New W&R building still available. Office demand needs to return before more construction and there's about 1.8M sqft Class A available along RCP corridor, which could take a while to fill. Focus on residential, office demand will naturally return over time.

There's a national trend of biz reducing office space and upgrading to nicer digs (often from B/C to A). If WFH/hybrid sticks to a higher degree than before pandemic long term, that may continue and spur more Class A downtown as B/C inventory shrinks due to residential conversion.

I'd strongly agree with this. Focus on people. Retail and office will naturally follow.

Theoretically if we keep stuffing as many people downtown as we can, wouldn’t the offices eventually start building downtown because that’s where an employee base is at?

AlkaliAxel wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 12:15 pm Theoretically if we keep stuffing as many people downtown as we can, wouldn’t the offices eventually start building downtown because that’s where an employee base is at?

Yes, depending on the type of people you attract.

Need larger and higher end residential to attract the people who make office decisions. Something equivalent to Plaza area Alameda tower and Kirkwood.

moderne wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 1:41 pm Need larger and higher end residential to attract the people who make office decisions. Something equivalent to Plaza area Alameda tower and Kirkwood.

Neither are as nice as Two or Three Light IMHO. Alameda feels old

Depends on which units you are in. Owners update as units change hands. Almost all units are much larger in Kirkwood and Alameda than in the Lights.
Lights have some nice units on upper floors but most people in the upper bracket do not want so live in a building with studios and one bedrooms and would rather be in a building with people of similar means.

moderne wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 1:41 pm Need larger and higher end residential to attract the people who make office decisions. Something equivalent to Plaza area Alameda tower and Kirkwood.

Is that not what 2 & 3 Light are for?

moderne wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 2:31 pm Depends on which units you are in. Owners update as units change hands. Almost all units are much larger in Kirkwood and Alameda than in the Lights.
Lights have some nice units on upper floors but most people in the upper bracket do not want so live in a building with studios and one bedrooms and would rather be in a building with people of similar means.

Maybe I didn’t do a good job of explaining. A condo building version of 3 Light would beat Alameda imho. I feel like Alameda’s amenities and common spaces are dated (which some buyers are into). At least Alameda has a timeless charm that the glass condo tower doesn’t.

earthling wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 10:43 am Any guesses on next Class B/C office building to go residential?

The other likely candidates would be Oak Tower and the former Kansas City Southern Railroad building at 114 W 11th Street (Wyandotte).

Doesn't Auto something take up a lot of the KCS building?

beautyfromashes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 12:53 pm

AlkaliAxel wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 12:15 pm Theoretically if we keep stuffing as many people downtown as we can, wouldn’t the offices eventually start building downtown because that’s where an employee base is at?

Yes, depending on the type of people you attract.

In that case mostly young professionals I assume...which would be the workforce they all want right?

KCPowercat wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 7:54 pm Doesn't Auto something take up a lot of the KCS building?

Yes.

KCPowercat wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 7:54 pm Doesn't Auto something take up a lot of the KCS building?

Yes. AutoAlert.

earthling wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 10:43 am Any guesses on next Class B/C office building to go residential?

Oak Tower!