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FlippantCitizen wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 5:13 pm Interesting. 2020 was obviously anomalous but 2021 was still a fall-off from prior years.

KC did quite well compared to many non-South metros (outside Indy/COL). Check out other Midtwest and E coast metros to the right...
https://www.recenter.tamu.edu/data/popu ... y%2C_MO-KS

Yeah I looked at the data from quite a few metros. A drop off from 2019, 2018 etc. nonetheless. Curious what’s behind that. Internal migration favoring sunbelt metros an established trend and accelerating, still not sure how how that accounts for a ~60% drop from some of the years prior to the pandemic.

Also a note. I was looking at Omaha data and the year 2020 numbers really don’t square up in the chart.

https://www2.census.gov/programs-survey ... NNCHG.xlsx

earthling wrote: ↑Fri May 27, 2022 1:34 pm



https://www2.census.gov/programs-survey ... NNCHG.xlsx

Really suprised to see some of the KS side like OP losing population

Yikes! St. Louis city now under 300K. KC now at historical high. Has bested previous high in 1970 census.

Cities with the largest raw losses. Nashville and Indy growth apparently all suburbia as core city among tops lost. And odd to see Denver and Dallas in top 20.


Cities sorted by highest % loss of cities over 200K...

The way we evaluate population growth is going to have to radically change post Covid. Now, getting even 5% population growth can be great. And hardly any city cores are growing now after 2020, even if their respective suburbs are.

BLS employment in 2022 above 2019 but big plunge in May. Generally 2% above 2019 levels

There's still a 'big shift' going on and hard to say how KC will be impacted when dust settles. State abortion rulings could further add to the shift, both people and jobs.

Interesting Redfin study on migration last Q and where they are interested in heading. Denver and MSP metros in top 10 for outmigration, apparently major interest to Chicago. Curious to see that Cleveland grabs interest from Detroit.

Q2
https://www.redfin.com/news/q2-2022-hou ... on-trends/

Q1
https://www.redfin.com/news/q1-2022-hou ... on-trends/

The signs on the interstates marking city limits with the population count are irking me. It will be time for the next census before they will ever be updated. You know if Veiled Prophet city grew to half a million MODOT would change the signs quickly.

Seams like a .0014% drop in Jackson county could be a rounding error. Bummer that we're not seeing any growth, but to call that shrinking is a stretch.

Honestly if anything it’s demonstrated consolidation. As more projects flesh out downtown in the next 5-10 years you’ll likely start to see the trend shift up

Yeah I think it is fair to call it flat. Question is how much of that population loss in JaxCo is from urban KC and being offset by growth in Lee Summit for example. Or is Urban KC stable and Independence is bleeding? Both East KC and Independence likely trending down. Separately, is the pandemic great migration over?

Anthony_Hugo98 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2023 2:48 pm Honestly if anything it’s demonstrated consolidation. As more projects flesh out downtown in the next 5-10 years you’ll likely start to see the trend shift up

That's what St Louis has been saying forever. No matter what growth they get, they can't offset the losses.

There is still quite a bit of growth in Blue Springs, Lee's Summit etc and of course downtown is growing. So that means there is still a lot of population loss offsetting the gains in the county.

Personally, I still think most of the infrastructure in Jackson County looks like shit. It just looks like a poor run down county compared to the rest of the metro and especially compared to other major counties across the country. Wait till they turn the sports complex into another warehouse district haha.

GRID wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2023 2:55 pm

Anthony_Hugo98 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2023 2:48 pm Honestly if anything it’s demonstrated consolidation. As more projects flesh out downtown in the next 5-10 years you’ll likely start to see the trend shift up

That's what St Louis has been saying forever. No matter what growth they get, they can't offset the losses.

There is still quite a bit of growth in Blue Springs, Lee's Summit etc and of course downtown is growing. So that means there is still a lot of population loss offsetting the gains in the county.

Personally, I still think most of the infrastructure in Jackson County looks like shit. It just looks like a poor run down county compared to the rest of the metro and especially compared to other major counties across the country. Wait till they turn the sports complex into another warehouse district haha.

Of course you do.

Here are counties over 500K that shrank most sorted by % of 2022-2021. Jackson County not in the top 50 of counties over 500K.

The headline for that article seems to be making some big assumptions. Jackson County does not equal Urban KC. Urban KC is what, maybe a quarter of Jackson County's population?

I would think that Raytown, Independence, Grandview, SE KC/Ruskin Heights, could all be loosing population. I don't think we have the data to show whether urban KC is losing population or not.

Eastside KC is probably still shrinking, but some things seem to be trending in a positive direction. There are probably more currently active residential developments and proposals for the East Side than I have seen in the rest of the years of my life combined.