Re: Plaza move-ins (ongoing)
Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2022 12:29 pm
Simon is buying the best case Plaza owner
Maybe some knowledge on mixed use developments trickles up from Jamestown
Maybe some knowledge on mixed use developments trickles up from Jamestown
The cafe is earmarked for 430 Nichols Rd I thinkHighlander wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 11:00 am With all the changes going on at the Plaza, will the string of vacant storefronts east of Pennsylvania on the south side of Nichols Road be filled (Victoria Secret et al spot)? Seems like that should be one of the more desirable spots on the Plaza. I wonder if the Capital One Cafe is earmarked for that spot? Is a Levi's Store still potentially in the works?
Yep. Simon malls are well run from my experience and they have an understanding of both indoor and open air lifestyle centers, the latter of which is what the Plaza is/wants to be. Plus they have deep relationships with top-tier retailers. For example, when I look at where Gucci recently opened stores in the past year, they're Simon centers: Austin, Charlotte, Indianapolis, etc.
It’s all pointless if the city won’t let development happen in and around
The Victoria's Secret/Pink space is 10,500+ square feet and the neighboring Bath & Body Works space is 2,900+ square feet. I haven't seen any permits/plans filed for these spots, but given the combined size it could be broken up into smaller spaces or go to one tenant. Zara stores are quite large and would be perfect, in my opinion. No word on Levi's.Highlander wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 11:00 am With all the changes going on at the Plaza, will the string of vacant storefronts east of Pennsylvania on the south side of Nichols Road be filled (Victoria Secret et al spot)? Seems like that should be one of the more desirable spots on the Plaza. I wonder if the Capital One Cafe is earmarked for that spot? Is a Levi's Store still potentially in the works?
Idk if this is still their ideology but Zara has said they won’t expand to the Midwest USA. The people there wear larger sizes that don’t work with their European supply chainmsmith011 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 12:02 pmThe Victoria's Secret/Pink space is 10,500+ square feet and the neighboring Bath & Body Works space is 2,900+ square feet. I haven't seen any permits/plans filed for these spots, but given the combined size it could be broken up into smaller spaces or go to one tenant. Zara stores are quite large and would be perfect, in my opinion. No word on Levi's.Highlander wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 11:00 am With all the changes going on at the Plaza, will the string of vacant storefronts east of Pennsylvania on the south side of Nichols Road be filled (Victoria Secret et al spot)? Seems like that should be one of the more desirable spots on the Plaza. I wonder if the Capital One Cafe is earmarked for that spot? Is a Levi's Store still potentially in the works?
Q brought up shutting down part of Nichols. It's a start.normalthings wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 11:09 amIt’s all pointless if the city won’t let development happen in and around
recommended to-do list includes keeping its streets and crosswalks safe; maintaining landscaping; repairing streets and sidewalks; ensuring fountains are working; providing clear signage for parking, and creating and maintaining a pedestrian zone.
On the security front, recommendations include increased security patrols at the Plaza, its garages and along Brush Creek; better coordination with city police; policies for the homeless and panhandling, and considering a curfew for unaccompanied youth after 6 p.m.
To make the Plaza more vibrant, she suggests more appealing retailers; more open spaces with movies, concerts and markets; limited street vendors; more outdoor dining places and closed-off streets, and inviting a brewery or distillery.
Besides Marshall, other steering committee members are Tom McGee, a developer with VanTrust Real Estate; Dennis Strait, an architect at Gould Evans; Tyler Enders, principal of Made in KC; urban strategist Beth Zollars, and entrepreneur Matthew Mellor.
Westbrook said the Country Club Plaza that the proposed association wants to usher into a new century goes beyond the dozen blocks planned by developer J.C. Nichols that began opening shops in 1923.
Seems like they agreenormalthings wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 1:26 pm The single greatest action would be to up some the surrounding areas and allowing projects to get approved
In Marshall’s PowerPoint presentation at the Sulgrave meeting, there were several critical bullet points describing the current state of the Plaza:
Some new store openings lack the draw and interest of the traditional Plaza retail audience, and short-term leases and vacancies leave long-time visitors and neighborhood resident concerned about the future of the Plaza.
Locals often comment that there’s “nothing to do” on the Plaza.
Some developers, who traditionally have sought opportunities in and around the Plaza, are discouraged by unnecessarily long and drawn out fights to get city and neighborhood approval to build.
Deferred maintenance on hardscapes and landscaping is hampering the Plaza and Brush Creek.
A rise in crime and assaults, in and around the Plaza, keeps visitors and local residents away.
To say that about Zara is ignoring that they're in suburban Cleveland and Chicago.Cratedigger wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 12:22 pmIdk if this is still their ideology but Zara has said they won’t expand to the Midwest USA. The people there wear larger sizes that don’t work with their European supply chainmsmith011 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 12:02 pmThe Victoria's Secret/Pink space is 10,500+ square feet and the neighboring Bath & Body Works space is 2,900+ square feet. I haven't seen any permits/plans filed for these spots, but given the combined size it could be broken up into smaller spaces or go to one tenant. Zara stores are quite large and would be perfect, in my opinion. No word on Levi's.Highlander wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 11:00 am With all the changes going on at the Plaza, will the string of vacant storefronts east of Pennsylvania on the south side of Nichols Road be filled (Victoria Secret et al spot)? Seems like that should be one of the more desirable spots on the Plaza. I wonder if the Capital One Cafe is earmarked for that spot? Is a Levi's Store still potentially in the works?
I think an Aritzia would be successful on the plaza
Or maybe Zara realized to their honor that Midwest USA will always need bigger sizes in the lands of Deep Dish pizza and chili covered spaghetti (Cinci, not Cleveland) scrapping plans to expand; pun intended.empires228 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 10:29 pmTo say that about Zara is ignoring that they're in suburban Cleveland and Chicago.Cratedigger wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 12:22 pmIdk if this is still their ideology but Zara has said they won’t expand to the Midwest USA. The people there wear larger sizes that don’t work with their European supply chainmsmith011 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 12:02 pm
The Victoria's Secret/Pink space is 10,500+ square feet and the neighboring Bath & Body Works space is 2,900+ square feet. I haven't seen any permits/plans filed for these spots, but given the combined size it could be broken up into smaller spaces or go to one tenant. Zara stores are quite large and would be perfect, in my opinion. No word on Levi's.
I think an Aritzia would be successful on the plaza
I agree witht he bolded part of this post. Would be nice to have governing board that can compromise with the needs of residents, the City, and developers to move the Plaza forward and still keep it's charm. It is a delicate balance but one that can be done with the correct leadership. It seems now there are 2 groups basically on the extreme ends and whoever yells the loudest will be heard.Cratedigger wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 2:09 pmSeems like they agreenormalthings wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 1:26 pm The single greatest action would be to up some the surrounding areas and allowing projects to get approved
In Marshall’s PowerPoint presentation at the Sulgrave meeting, there were several critical bullet points describing the current state of the Plaza:
Some new store openings lack the draw and interest of the traditional Plaza retail audience, and short-term leases and vacancies leave long-time visitors and neighborhood resident concerned about the future of the Plaza.
Locals often comment that there’s “nothing to do” on the Plaza.
Some developers, who traditionally have sought opportunities in and around the Plaza, are discouraged by unnecessarily long and drawn out fights to get city and neighborhood approval to build.
Deferred maintenance on hardscapes and landscaping is hampering the Plaza and Brush Creek.
A rise in crime and assaults, in and around the Plaza, keeps visitors and local residents away.
atticus23 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 4:38 pmOr maybe Zara realized to their honor that Midwest USA will always need bigger sizes in the lands of Deep Dish pizza and chili covered spaghetti (Cinci, not Cleveland) scrapping plans to expand; pun intended.empires228 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 10:29 pmTo say that about Zara is ignoring that they're in suburban Cleveland and Chicago.Cratedigger wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 12:22 pm
Idk if this is still their ideology but Zara has said they won’t expand to the Midwest USA. The people there wear larger sizes that don’t work with their European supply chain
I think an Aritzia would be successful on the plaza
Scarcity and exclusivity drive demandUMKC Roo wrote: ↑Mon Dec 26, 2022 10:10 pm Plaza is keeping the lights on this till Feb. 19th in honor of their 100th anniversary.
Why can't we keep them this long every year? It seems kinda silly to only have such a popular item on for only few weeks of the year when it's literally just flipping a light switch.