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Re: Regional Transit Coordination

Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:28 pm
by ToDactivist
earthling wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 11:47 pm A rail spine from DT (possibly NKC) to UMKC will suffice for a decade+ along with crosstown BRT lines and other spokes to rest of metro. But there needs to be an effort to encourage bus fearing streetcar riders to use MAX and other bus lines. As mentioned in other threads, until UMKC streetcar expansion is complete, perhaps there should be a free streetcar extender from Union Station to Plaza using MAX buses. An announcement on streetcar arriving at Union Station can promote using the MAX buses to get to Plaza with no fare, the announcement encouraging/endorsing use as a natural extension to Plaza is key.

Understand there'd be logistical challenges with existing MAX structure but many who wouldn't take MAX would certainly at least try this approach and would highly likely improve perception to point of improving general bus ridership overall in the long term.
there are tech things that can solve the hesitation for riders...things like Zoox, which could be more on-demand short runs or on set short routes (last miles) but in any case, not huge buses that run under-utilized much of the day. Even street trolleys that run on bar coded streets for routes off-the-rails. All good stuff and like I have said before - its a good thing KC is late to the game - let others experiment.

Re: Regional Transit Coordination

Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:49 pm
by earthling
Robo-taxis replacing buses would be ideal, but perhaps another generation away before affordable/accessible for all?

Re: Regional Transit Coordination

Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2021 6:59 pm
by alejandro46
Missed this yesterday:
The [RideKC Board] approves a contract with @TransProConsult to develop a regional transit plan.
https://twitter.com/RideKCTransit/statu ... 4848520198

Re: Regional Transit Coordination

Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2021 7:35 pm
by normalthings
alejandro46 wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 6:59 pm Missed this yesterday:
The [RideKC Board] approves a contract with @TransProConsult to develop a regional transit plan.
https://twitter.com/RideKCTransit/statu ... 4848520198
and this
The Board authorizes the CEO to finalize a contract for the Rock Island corridor development with
@Black_Veatch
, to look for development opportunities along the trail.

Re: Regional Transit Coordination

Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2021 8:29 pm
by DaveKCMO
alejandro46 wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 6:59 pm Missed this yesterday:
The [RideKC Board] approves a contract with @TransProConsult to develop a regional transit plan.
https://twitter.com/RideKCTransit/statu ... 4848520198
It's happening. The whole process should take about a year. Need to have something identified before the citywide 3/8-cent sales tax for transit expires in April 2024.

Re: Regional Transit Coordination

Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2021 8:31 pm
by DaveKCMO
normalthings wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 7:35 pm
The Board authorizes the CEO to finalize a contract for the Rock Island corridor development with
@Black_Veatch
, to look for development opportunities along the trail.
The other part of this that didn't require board action is resuming the TOD planning for the corridor (it took a break while Hyperloop was in play), which will complete in tandem with the master developer work that B&V is doing. There will also be an "innovation challenge".

Re: Regional Transit Coordination

Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 12:04 pm
by normalthings
DaveKCMO wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 8:29 pm
alejandro46 wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 6:59 pm Missed this yesterday:
The [RideKC Board] approves a contract with @TransProConsult to develop a regional transit plan.
https://twitter.com/RideKCTransit/statu ... 4848520198
It's happening. The whole process should take about a year. Need to have something identified before the citywide 3/8-cent sales tax for transit expires in April 2024.
Will KC be applying for a transit planning grant?

https://www.transportation.gov/briefing ... -modernize

Re: Regional Transit Coordination

Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 12:10 pm
by DaveKCMO
normalthings wrote: Tue Apr 13, 2021 12:04 pm
DaveKCMO wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 8:29 pm
alejandro46 wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 6:59 pm Missed this yesterday:


https://twitter.com/RideKCTransit/statu ... 4848520198
It's happening. The whole process should take about a year. Need to have something identified before the citywide 3/8-cent sales tax for transit expires in April 2024.
Will KC be applying for a transit planning grant?

https://www.transportation.gov/briefing ... -modernize
Yes.

Re: Regional Transit Coordination

Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:59 am
by normalthings
Great to hear. Hope to see rail ; )

Re: Regional Transit Coordination

Posted: Fri May 14, 2021 9:39 am
by normalthings
https://shawneemissionpost.com/2021/05/ ... s-121874/

Davids submits request for $600 million for JoCo highway expansion.

For every step in the right direction, it feels like we take 10 in the wrong.

Re: Regional Transit Coordination

Posted: Fri May 14, 2021 9:46 am
by flyingember
normalthings wrote: Fri May 14, 2021 9:39 am https://shawneemissionpost.com/2021/05/ ... s-121874/

Davids submits request for $600 million for JoCo highway expansion.

For every step in the right direction, it feels like we take 10 in the wrong.
About 10% of construction workers are in a union and the industry is heavy in minorities on top of that.

Stop looking at the mode being funded and look at the voters being funded. If you want to win re-election in 2022 you do what's always been done, handouts to key voters.

Do you think things are going to move in the direction you want if she loses re-election?

Re: Regional Transit Coordination

Posted: Fri May 14, 2021 10:23 am
by normalthings
flyingember wrote: Fri May 14, 2021 9:46 am
normalthings wrote: Fri May 14, 2021 9:39 am https://shawneemissionpost.com/2021/05/ ... s-121874/

Davids submits request for $600 million for JoCo highway expansion.

For every step in the right direction, it feels like we take 10 in the wrong.
About 10% of construction workers are in a union and the industry is heavy in minorities on top of that.

Stop looking at the mode being funded and look at the voters being funded. If you want to win re-election in 2022 you do what's always been done, handouts to key voters.

Do you think things are going to move in the direction you want if she loses re-election?
I understand why she needs to bring big federal dollars to land re-election. My problem with it is that transit projects weren’t even an option to fund. We just keep building and expanding highways with no alternative discussed or proposed.

(Transit and Bike/Ped creating more jobs anyways)

Re: Regional Transit Coordination

Posted: Fri May 14, 2021 11:26 am
by flyingember
normalthings wrote: Fri May 14, 2021 10:23 am
I understand why she needs to bring big federal dollars to land re-election. My problem with it is that transit projects weren’t even an option to fund. We just keep building and expanding highways with no alternative discussed or proposed.

(Transit and Bike/Ped creating more jobs anyways)
What transit projects are organized to the point they're ready for federal dollars and aren't being funded?
Where's a regional bike lane plan ready to implement?

That the transit planning process has failed for so many years to produce projects ready to fund means roads will continue to get funded.

Re: Regional Transit Coordination

Posted: Fri May 14, 2021 12:09 pm
by DaveKCMO

Re: Regional Transit Coordination

Posted: Fri May 14, 2021 1:12 pm
by earthling
^One App to Rule Them All?

Re: Regional Transit Coordination

Posted: Fri May 14, 2021 1:54 pm
by DaveKCMO
earthling wrote: Fri May 14, 2021 1:12 pm ^One App to Rule Them All?
Think bigger. Think the title of this thread.

Re: Regional Transit Coordination

Posted: Fri May 14, 2021 1:54 pm
by DaveKCMO
earthling wrote: Fri May 14, 2021 1:12 pm ^One App to Rule Them All?
Think bigger. Think the title of this thread.

(And we're already working on the one app behind the scenes)

Re: Regional Transit Coordination

Posted: Sat May 15, 2021 11:15 am
by normalthings
flyingember wrote: Fri May 14, 2021 11:26 am
normalthings wrote: Fri May 14, 2021 10:23 am
I understand why she needs to bring big federal dollars to land re-election. My problem with it is that transit projects weren’t even an option to fund. We just keep building and expanding highways with no alternative discussed or proposed.

(Transit and Bike/Ped creating more jobs anyways)
What transit projects are organized to the point they're ready for federal dollars and aren't being funded?
Where's a regional bike lane plan ready to implement?

That the transit planning process has failed for so many years to produce projects ready to fund means roads will continue to get funded.
Exactly my frustration. There are no transit alternatives studied, organized, or even ideas for ones.

More a failure of KDOT & JoCo than anything else.

Re: Regional Transit Coordination

Posted: Sat May 15, 2021 4:27 pm
by DaveKCMO
You'll have a more detailed funding plan in about six months. Details coming next week.

Regardless, we've studied enough. It's time to fund more service. Basic fixed bus or flexible circulator routes don't need big planning studies, if at all. We know where the people and jobs are. You only need to study if you're going to spend a lot of capital and seeking federal match. We could have the entire SmartMoves plan* up and running in 18 months if it were just basic bus service. That, of course, would require a significant new investment in operating funds from the region (not just KCMO and a smattering of municipalities agreeing to bare bones service.

* This is the high-level regional transit plan you've apparently ignored that has been slowly implemented since its inception. Here's that implementation plan.

Re: Regional Transit Coordination

Posted: Sat May 15, 2021 11:03 pm
by flyingember
DaveKCMO wrote: Sat May 15, 2021 4:27 pm You'll have a more detailed funding plan in about six months. Details coming next week.

Regardless, we've studied enough. It's time to fund more service. Basic fixed bus or flexible circulator routes don't need big planning studies, if at all. We know where the people and jobs are. You only need to study if you're going to spend a lot of capital and seeking federal match. We could have the entire SmartMoves plan* up and running in 18 months if it were just basic bus service. That, of course, would require a significant new investment in operating funds from the region (not just KCMO and a smattering of municipalities agreeing to bare bones service.

* This is the high-level regional transit plan you've apparently ignored that has been slowly implemented since its inception. Here's that implementation plan.
Canceling service the plan relies on isn’t the way to implement the plan

Ride KC Next is canceling service explicitly listed as being upgraded to 30 minute service in the plan and requires adding new 30 minute service even deeper into the suburbs. Your posts basically ridicule smart moves for years now, saying it’s unrealistic because there’s no ridership. This plan says to grow bus demand by doubling down

http://www.kcsmartmoves.org/pdf/PlanDoc ... ndix_A.pdf
One I recognized was renumbered from 121 to 21 but the name is the same.