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I wonder how long it will take to get over the cognitive dissonance of "streetcar brings development but we still need just as much parking as before"? It would seem that developers envision an empty streetcar rolling through vibrant neighborhoods full of development that it brought.
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$250k/year is $684 per day or $2.70 per spot per day.
That's not unrealistic as far as a price goes.
Corrigan building is 145,000 square feet. 10,000 sq ft can easily hold 50 people so that's 700+ people in a dense open design but it has a 350 space shared public garage
the hotel under construction at 16th has 166 spots for 257 rooms. Uncertain if those spots include employee spaces
Two Light will have 300 rooms, 30,000 square feet of office (100-150 people) and 15,000 square feet of retail (approx. 50 workers) and 500 spots and it's a shared public garage.
The 800 room convention hotel will have 450-500 spaces and this is for conventions in the building also, not just room guests
The Hampton Inn at 8th/Walnut is 70 rooms. They have a parking lot with ~50 spots.
Centropolis (5th/Grand) is 56 units (approx. 75 people) and 56 parking spots.
The KCATA project is going to build over the lot but keep the parking public afterwards
I believe the city 5th/Main project wants to keep the parking public afterwards too.
The 4th/Wyandotte residential is sharing spaces with the office garage, they built none.
One Light took it's spots from an already busy P&L garage
P&L building is 310 units (approx. 450 people), retail workers (20?) and a 475 space garage. So it has exactly enough spots for one per person at average density. There's not enough for everyone to have a roommate/spouse with a car there too.
The Home2 by Hilton at 20th/Main, the rendering everyone disliked was 115 rooms with 98 parking spots. Shared with approx. 5-10 employees
that's 2250 vehicles with 1845 parking spots in known projects
That's not unrealistic as far as a price goes.
If you look at the actual parking numbers you'll realize that the big projects are substantially underbuilding on parking if everyone was expected to drive.Eon Blue wrote:I wonder how long it will take to get over the cognitive dissonance of "streetcar brings development but we still need just as much parking as before"? It would seem that developers envision an empty streetcar rolling through vibrant neighborhoods full of development that it brought.
Corrigan building is 145,000 square feet. 10,000 sq ft can easily hold 50 people so that's 700+ people in a dense open design but it has a 350 space shared public garage
the hotel under construction at 16th has 166 spots for 257 rooms. Uncertain if those spots include employee spaces
Two Light will have 300 rooms, 30,000 square feet of office (100-150 people) and 15,000 square feet of retail (approx. 50 workers) and 500 spots and it's a shared public garage.
The 800 room convention hotel will have 450-500 spaces and this is for conventions in the building also, not just room guests
The Hampton Inn at 8th/Walnut is 70 rooms. They have a parking lot with ~50 spots.
Centropolis (5th/Grand) is 56 units (approx. 75 people) and 56 parking spots.
The KCATA project is going to build over the lot but keep the parking public afterwards
I believe the city 5th/Main project wants to keep the parking public afterwards too.
The 4th/Wyandotte residential is sharing spaces with the office garage, they built none.
One Light took it's spots from an already busy P&L garage
P&L building is 310 units (approx. 450 people), retail workers (20?) and a 475 space garage. So it has exactly enough spots for one per person at average density. There's not enough for everyone to have a roommate/spouse with a car there too.
The Home2 by Hilton at 20th/Main, the rendering everyone disliked was 115 rooms with 98 parking spots. Shared with approx. 5-10 employees
that's 2250 vehicles with 1845 parking spots in known projects
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For condos and high end units, most would want a garage spot. Developers who build high end rentals perhaps intending to go condo later may want enough parking in order to sell the condo units. If you were to invest over $300K in a condo, wouldn't you want it to include a parking spot? Maybe not for yourself but future resale? Is harder to sell when competing with others that do come with a spot.
KC would need a much more extensive transit system to reduce parking significantly, one streetcar line won't cut it (it can in some situations but not most). But even in Chicago, most buying a unit want a parking spot.
KC would need a much more extensive transit system to reduce parking significantly, one streetcar line won't cut it (it can in some situations but not most). But even in Chicago, most buying a unit want a parking spot.
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FACT: there is more public parking capacity in greater downtown than there ever has been, with almost all of it being underutilized.
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This is very true. It's hard to get a loan on a condo if it does not come with a parking spot. Our building ran into some small issues because we lease space from a public garage and don't own it outright.earthling wrote:For condos and high end units, most would want a garage spot. Developers who build high end rentals perhaps intending to go condo later may want enough parking in order to sell the condo units. If you were to invest over $300K in a condo, wouldn't you want it to include a parking spot? Maybe not for yourself but future resale? Is harder to sell when competing with others that do come with a spot.
KC would need a much more extensive transit system to reduce parking significantly, one streetcar line won't cut it (it can in some situations but not most). But even in Chicago, most buying a unit want a parking spot.
I am wondering when, or even if, condo ownership starts rising in downtown. I can only assume that some of the newer apartments will go condos in time.
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you may not believe this, but KC has been more progressive about parking requirements near transit than chicago has been. they still require parking for developments near El stations! can't get much higher capacity than that. if everyone gets a parking space included, by law, then everyone gets a car.earthling wrote:But even in Chicago, most buying a unit want a parking spot.
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Looks like the have at least one tenant planned for the space. Glad to see Hollis Miller plans to move their offices from OP to DT.
http://www.bizjournals.com/kansascity/n ... trict.html
http://www.bizjournals.com/kansascity/n ... trict.html
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According to Copaken Brooks page, there will be 1,971 sf of space in the parking garage at street level. It also looks like the first floor of the Corrigan Building could also be retail.
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they're not through planning yet, so that could change.pash wrote:Whoops, I found the same info and edited it in while you were posting.
1,971 square feet is roughly 44' x 44', which is what I used to the calculate the frontage percentages I mentioned in my edited post above. If the renderings are accurate, it looks like the retail space will be less square than that, something more like 29' x 68'. That would mean the retail frontage would make up about a quarter of the garage's length along 19th Street and about a third of its length along Walnut.
Not a complete disaster, I guess, but it's not going to do much for that stretch of Walnut.
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It might have already changed...on page six of the marketing flyer it shows the same stacking plan except every square footage is different including the Walnut garage retail space which is 2,538 sf instead of 1,971 sf. Other changes in square footage range from a ~4,000 sf difference to a ~50 sf difference.
Here's the link to the flyer: http://x.lnimg.com/attachments/464C2B42 ... 3DFEE6.pdf
Here's the link to the flyer: http://x.lnimg.com/attachments/464C2B42 ... 3DFEE6.pdf
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I'm curious how old that flyer is. It still shows Hamburger Mary's as being a nearby amenity. Hard to tell if that just slipped through the cracks on accident, or was the flyer made while HM was still in the crossroads?JLowe2018 wrote:It might have already changed...on page six of the marketing flyer it shows the same stacking plan except every square footage is different including the Walnut garage retail space which is 2,538 sf instead of 1,971 sf. Other changes in square footage range from a ~4,000 sf difference to a ~50 sf difference.
Here's the link to the flyer: http://x.lnimg.com/attachments/464C2B42 ... 3DFEE6.pdf
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final plans submitted to the city last week.
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Where can we see them?DaveKCMO wrote:final plans submitted to the city last week.
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they would have to be part of an upcoming committee or commission docket to be made public, i believe.ldai_phs wrote:Where can we see them?DaveKCMO wrote:final plans submitted to the city last week.
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from the 10/6 city plan commission agenda:
4 JR 23. Case No. 14588-P -- About 0.5 acres generally located at the northeast corner of 19th St and Walnut St, to consider approval of a development plan to allow the construction of a parking garage in District DX-15 (Downtown Mixed Use). (Continued from 9-15-15 - No Testimony)
Applicant: Corrigan Station LLC c/o Aaron Schlagel, Copaken Brooks LLC
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major interior renovation work is underway now.
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CPC approved this last week.DaveKCMO wrote:from the 10/6 city plan commission agenda:
4 JR 23. Case No. 14588-P -- About 0.5 acres generally located at the northeast corner of 19th St and Walnut St, to consider approval of a development plan to allow the construction of a parking garage in District DX-15 (Downtown Mixed Use). (Continued from 9-15-15 - No Testimony)
Applicant: Corrigan Station LLC c/o Aaron Schlagel, Copaken Brooks LLC
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interior renovation is well underway, as is the utility relocation (hence the lane drop on 19th).