"Journalist Matt Taibbi, who released the first batch of “Twitter files,” said that while he saw general warnings from the government to Twitter about possible foreign hacks, he saw no evidence of specific government involvement in Twitter’s decision to suppress the New York Post’s story on the Hunter Biden laptop."
I suppose you can take solace in the fact that Dorsey told congress he thought the decision was a mistake, but who knows what the really means?
I haven't read the FBI, Biden campaign or government flat out told Twitter to suppress this story but what's very clear is a handful of vocal politically motivated employees at Twitter pushed to suppress this story. Being a private company, that's all find and dandy but considering the power these social media platforms have, isn't it important they play fair and suppress equally? They really do have the power to sway elections and they've not taken any oath of honesty or do no harm stance.
When you're politically inclined to kill a story and all comments/DM's about it AND you've had the FBI telling you to expect a hack and leak, misinformation campaign, easy to understand how that decision was made.
The shadow banning is almost a bigger deal in some ways. Hope to learn more about that.
Seems like they were trying to play fair and not propagate unvetted info at a critical time in the election.
If it wasn't such a nothing burger, it probably would have brought down the Biden admin some time between then and now leading to a huge red wave in 2022.
Not a surprise this becomes a story after the gop gets its ass handed to them in the recent election, it's plan B.
"Journalist Matt Taibbi, who released the first batch of “Twitter files,” said that while he saw general warnings from the government to Twitter about possible foreign hacks, he saw no evidence of specific government involvement in Twitter’s decision to suppress the New York Post’s story on the Hunter Biden laptop."
I suppose you can take solace in the fact that Dorsey told congress he thought the decision was a mistake, but who knows what the really means?
I haven't read the FBI, Biden campaign or government flat out told Twitter to suppress this story but what's very clear is a handful of vocal politically motivated employees at Twitter pushed to suppress this story. Being a private company, that's all find and dandy but considering the power these social media platforms have, isn't it important they play fair and suppress equally? They really do have the power to sway elections and they've not taken any oath of honesty or do no harm stance.
When you're politically inclined to kill a story and all comments/DM's about it AND you've had the FBI telling you to expect a hack and leak, misinformation campaign, easy to understand how that decision was made.
The shadow banning is almost a bigger deal in some ways. Hope to learn more about that.
Seems like they were trying to play fair and not propagate unvetted info at a critical time in the election.
If it wasn't such a nothing burger, it probably would have brought down the Biden admin some time between then and now leading to a huge red wave in 2022.
Not a surprise this becomes a story after the gop gets its ass handed to them in the recent election, it's plan B.
The FBI had the laptop in 2019. The GOP has been talking about it for 2+ years but when the only media outlets like Fox News and NY Post cover it, no one outside of the GOP echo chamber is going to pick up on it. That’s the entire point. Mainstream media along with our two biggest social media companies treated it as misinformation and actively suppressed any and all talk about it. That’s scary shit.
The only reason it’s still a story is because for the first time in 3 years the GOP will have the majority in congress to investigate what it wants. Dumb but at least we can investigate something besides Trumps taxes.
C'mon man, mainstream media loves controversy and scandal.
I'm sure they have all looked at it and decided that it's either unverifiable or irrelevant. They're certainly not ignoring it because the media loves Joe Biden. They just spent the last year reporting on nothing but inflation.
grovester wrote: ↑Sat Dec 17, 2022 12:08 pm
C'mon man, mainstream media loves controversy and scandal.
I'm sure they have all looked at it and decided that it's either unverifiable or irrelevant. They're certainly not ignoring it because the media loves Joe Biden. They just spent the last year reporting on nothing but inflation.
edit: and red waves.
It’s been verified. There is no question about the contents being authentic. Like I’ve said, who cares if they cover it at this point. Ship has sailed. The troubling part is the quickness to accept and cover ad nauseam a fart in the wind about Trump but literally suppress this laptop situation. We are seeing the evidence of the FBI colluding with Twitter to ban stories, accounts and DM’s.
Mainstream loves drama but they clearly have biases. If Fox News ignored the Steele dossier, I think the left would call them out as well.
grovester wrote: ↑Sat Dec 17, 2022 12:08 pm
C'mon man, mainstream media loves controversy and scandal.
I'm sure they have all looked at it and decided that it's either unverifiable or irrelevant. They're certainly not ignoring it because the media loves Joe Biden. They just spent the last year reporting on nothing but inflation.
edit: and red waves.
It’s been verified. There is no question about the contents being authentic. Like I’ve said, who cares if they cover it at this point. Ship has sailed. The troubling part is the quickness to accept and cover ad nauseam a fart in the wind about Trump but literally suppress this laptop situation. We are seeing the evidence of the FBI colluding with Twitter to ban stories, accounts and DM’s.
Mainstream loves drama but they clearly have biases. If Fox News ignored the Steele dossier, I think the left would call them out as well.
"More than a year after the story appeared, the Washington Post conducted its own analysis and concluded the laptop and some emails were likely to be authentic - but the majority of data could not be verified due to "sloppy handling of the data"."
“The independent analysis, by two cyber investigators from Minneapolis-based Computer Forensics Services, found no evidence that the user data had been modified, fabricated or tampered with. Nor did it find any new files originating after April 2019, when store records indicate Biden dropped it off for repair.”
Please drop one of your infamous TLDR posts explaining!
Does this really require further explanation? Which part are you having trouble with? The part where this is probably the first time in history that a Republican has complained about a wealthy failson relying on his parents' position to get ahead? The part where you're desperately concerned about Hunter Biden trying to "gain wealth and influence" through his connection to the VP, but apparently not about Trump and his family using the presidency to do the same on a much larger scale (for just a recent example, see, e.g., Saudi Arabia's $2 billion investment in Jared Kushner's new private equity firm)? Or the part where you're whining about "biased treatment" by the same FBI that made a completely unnecessary announcement two weeks before the 2016 election that they were reopening an investigation into Hillary Clinton based on information that turned out not actually to be new? Maybe it was the part where you referred to as "hillbillies" the same people you admonish ~~~the left~~~ for condescending to? Or was there something else that you thought needed explaining?
Oh I’m sorry sir, I should have been able to read your mind. Why open your mouth at all? Wouldn’t your response fall into that whataboutism category made famous by the left when people would point out things Obama did?
I’m not here to talk about Hunter Biden. What he did and others do peddling influence isn’t anything new. I’m talking about how this information was handled. I’m sure If this aligned more with your liberal views you’d have issues with it but since it only helped your side, nothing to see here! The same people who pushed the Steele dossier as factual and have no plans to hold themselves accountable now that we all know it was garbage.
The hillbillies comment was about a certain group of people, not always the brightest, who feel the system is rigged against them and other “patriots”. I’m seriously shocked anyone wonders how 1/6 happened.
I don’t think you needed to explain anything, comprehend, maybe.
How the information was handled only matters if the information itself is significant. The Steele dossier, if true, would have been significant, but nobody talks about it anymore because it has been debunked. Reporting on it at the time -- from "mainstream media" like the NYT or WaPo, at least -- were rife with disclaimers that it hadn't been verified (they have also reported on the laptop the same way, they haven't suppressed the story). Even if everything on the laptop is 100% real, does it actually show that Hunter Biden did anything more than what you just acknowledged "isn't anything new"? As far as I know, it doesn't. This story isn't significant. It doesn't matter. This is just sour grapes over a fake October surprise that didn't take.
Well, you can throw out all the "Musk Twitter Genius" stuff out the window after his anti-competition post today. Europe going to throw the anti-trust book at him, hilarious to watch.
Hope NASA can just gobble SpaceX up, Tesla will probably be better off without him & his obsession with auto-driving.
TheSmokinPun wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 3:56 pm
Well, you can throw out all the "Musk Twitter Genius" stuff out the window after his anti-competition post today. Europe going to throw the anti-trust book at him, hilarious to watch.
Hope NASA can just gobble SpaceX up, Tesla will probably be better off without him & his obsession with auto-driving.
You’re joking right? This country loves to hate successful people. His handling of Twitter so far has been confusing and sporadic but to imply spaceX and Tesla would be better off without him is ignorant. Autonomous driving will be about the only thing to bring down automotive related deaths at some point. I think it’s a worthy cause. NASA would just fuck up SpaceX.
Europe isn’t going to do shit. Not enough users in the EU on Twitter to matter.
If Google and Facebook can get away with anti-competition tactics for years, why is it suddenly a massive deal when Musk does it? Oh, because it’s hilarious to watch?
mean wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 2:08 pm
...and it will be "investigated" ad nauseam anyway to try to desperately smear Biden somehow. We've all Benghazi here before.
You don’t think the democrats deserve any blame? They’ve spent 6 years now entertaining anything even slightly potentially damaging to Trump. Investigation after investigation. No rock left unturned. Now it’s his taxes. Will any of his supporters care that he embellished his wealth? Nope. Does anyone care his company didn’t pay taxes on an apartment they bought for an employee? Nope.
So why is anyone surprised that the republicans are going to use the same bullshit, waste of time tactics to try and damage Biden’s fragile reputation?
phuqueue wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 6:48 pm
Does this really require further explanation? Which part are you having trouble with? The part where this is probably the first time in history that a Republican has complained about a wealthy failson relying on his parents' position to get ahead? The part where you're desperately concerned about Hunter Biden trying to "gain wealth and influence" through his connection to the VP, but apparently not about Trump and his family using the presidency to do the same on a much larger scale (for just a recent example, see, e.g., Saudi Arabia's $2 billion investment in Jared Kushner's new private equity firm)? Or the part where you're whining about "biased treatment" by the same FBI that made a completely unnecessary announcement two weeks before the 2016 election that they were reopening an investigation into Hillary Clinton based on information that turned out not actually to be new? Maybe it was the part where you referred to as "hillbillies" the same people you admonish ~~~the left~~~ for condescending to? Or was there something else that you thought needed explaining?
Oh I’m sorry sir, I should have been able to read your mind. Why open your mouth at all? Wouldn’t your response fall into that whataboutism category made famous by the left when people would point out things Obama did?
I’m not here to talk about Hunter Biden. What he did and others do peddling influence isn’t anything new. I’m talking about how this information was handled. I’m sure If this aligned more with your liberal views you’d have issues with it but since it only helped your side, nothing to see here! The same people who pushed the Steele dossier as factual and have no plans to hold themselves accountable now that we all know it was garbage.
The hillbillies comment was about a certain group of people, not always the brightest, who feel the system is rigged against them and other “patriots”. I’m seriously shocked anyone wonders how 1/6 happened.
I don’t think you needed to explain anything, comprehend, maybe.
How the information was handled only matters if the information itself is significant. The Steele dossier, if true, would have been significant, but nobody talks about it anymore because it has been debunked. Reporting on it at the time -- from "mainstream media" like the NYT or WaPo, at least -- were rife with disclaimers that it hadn't been verified (they have also reported on the laptop the same way, they haven't suppressed the story). Even if everything on the laptop is 100% real, does it actually show that Hunter Biden did anything more than what you just acknowledged "isn't anything new"? As far as I know, it doesn't. This story isn't significant. It doesn't matter. This is just sour grapes over a fake October surprise that didn't take.
Sour grapes over the October election results when they’ve been pushing this for 2 years? They were going to investigate this regardless of a red wave. Just as the dems investigated anything and everything to tarnish Trump, the GOP will do the same.
The media treated the Steele dossier as truth. There are still people on the left who didn’t get the memo it was all bullshit.
What’s more alarming about that situation was how involved the DNC was. I still can’t believe people didn’t have red flags when the whole Russia pissing thing came about. Than again these are the same people who went around the night Trump won with “not my president” signs, so nothing should be shocking from that group.
Just let the GOP conduct these bogus investigations. The vast majority of Americans do not care about any of this. And the recent election just emphasized that.
They're just further distancing themselves from average folks on both sides.
Link2 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:48 pm
Just let the GOP conduct these bogus investigations. The vast majority of Americans do not care about any of this. And the recent election just emphasized that.
They're just further distancing themselves from average folks on both sides.
Par for the course on your end. Most of us didn't care about all the Trump investigations either but you don't seem to have an issue with the Democrats spending all the time and $40,000,000 doing it?
It's funny how both sides claim the other is distancing itself from average folks. Maybe our politicians in general are out of touch with the American people?
Link2 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:48 pm
Just let the GOP conduct these bogus investigations. The vast majority of Americans do not care about any of this. And the recent election just emphasized that.
They're just further distancing themselves from average folks on both sides.
Par for the course on your end. Most of us didn't care about all the Trump investigations either but you don't seem to have an issue with the Democrats spending all the time and $40,000,000 doing it?
It's funny how both sides claim the other is distancing itself from average folks. Maybe our politicians in general are out of touch with the American people?
Again, everything is not about you. Please refrain from always replying to each of my posts on this subtopic.
Link2 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:48 pm
Just let the GOP conduct these bogus investigations. The vast majority of Americans do not care about any of this. And the recent election just emphasized that.
They're just further distancing themselves from average folks on both sides.
Par for the course on your end. Most of us didn't care about all the Trump investigations either but you don't seem to have an issue with the Democrats spending all the time and $40,000,000 doing it?
It's funny how both sides claim the other is distancing itself from average folks. Maybe our politicians in general are out of touch with the American people?
Again, everything is not about you. Please refrain from always replying to each of my posts on this subtopic.
I brought the topic up. If you don't want me to respond, don't post!
Since you got yourself involved, are you ok with the amount of money and time the democrats have spent investigating Trump?
Par for the course on your end. Most of us didn't care about all the Trump investigations either but you don't seem to have an issue with the Democrats spending all the time and $40,000,000 doing it?
It's funny how both sides claim the other is distancing itself from average folks. Maybe our politicians in general are out of touch with the American people?
Again, everything is not about you. Please refrain from always replying to each of my posts on this subtopic.
I brought the topic up. If you don't want me to respond, don't post!
Since you got yourself involved, are you ok with the amount of money and time the democrats have spent investigating Trump?
Oh wow! Congrats on starting this topic.
A supporter of Trump complaining about wasting taxpayer dollars is...interesting. But, no, I would not care about a figure so minuscule in comparison to estimates related to expenses for Trump's golf outings. And they can do multiple things at once, so I'm certainly not worried about the time commitments interfering with their work.
Pointless in this argument as I've learned, but the figure you're referencing relates to the Mueller Investigation. And the figure I've seen is closer to $32 million.
And get this, Mueller was appointed special counsel by Rod Rosenstein -- who himself was nominated by Trump to the position that allowed him to appoint the SC. So your complaint -- inaccuracies and all -- would be better directed to someone on your side of the aisle.
Considering how poorly election deniers fared in the 2022 election, I would venture that a majority of American voters thought the investigations were/are important and worthwhile.
mean wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 2:08 pm
...and it will be "investigated" ad nauseam anyway to try to desperately smear Biden somehow. We've all Benghazi here before.
You don’t think the democrats deserve any blame? They’ve spent 6 years now entertaining anything even slightly potentially damaging to Trump. Investigation after investigation. No rock left unturned. Now it’s his taxes. Will any of his supporters care that he embellished his wealth? Nope. Does anyone care his company didn’t pay taxes on an apartment they bought for an employee? Nope.
So why is anyone surprised that the republicans are going to use the same bullshit, waste of time tactics to try and damage Biden’s fragile reputation?
Somebody please tell me why I shouldn't just delete this guy. Trump tried to overthrow the government and he wants to pretend this is the same as Hunter's laptop.
