Oh, yeah, that's definitely an addition but multiple crossovers were always on the want list. The initial design phases (10%, 30%) also apply to the budget, so as you refine the design you determine that something cost more or less than the original assumption and the contingency is reduced -- although the FTA still requires an insane contingency that projects are more or less encouraged to spend or you have to relinquish it.
Aside from converting the other switch backs to cross overs, what are the other items on the wish list?
I'm glad this is moving ahead and will surely happen now. This is going to drive an investment boom along Main Street and the periphery that will make every place along this route much more vibrant. Still 5 years to go till we can all enjoy it, but I'm sure it will be worth it.
@Dave Tom Gerend mentioned at downtowners that there is a big transit plan that KC Streetcar is to be a part of. Future Streetcar extensions coming or just mainstreet route as the back bones tk expanded bus?
langosta wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 8:44 pm
@Dave Tom Gerend mentioned at downtowners that there is a big transit plan that KC Streetcar is to be a part of. Future Streetcar extensions coming or just mainstreet route as the back bones tk expanded bus?
langosta wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 8:44 pm
@Dave Tom Gerend mentioned at downtowners that there is a big transit plan that KC Streetcar is to be a part of. Future Streetcar extensions coming or just mainstreet route as the back bones tk expanded bus?
Maybe it has something to do with this from a few weeks back...
Would think 12th St to W Bottoms and/or NKC would be easiest to fund with TDD tax? All would be great to have but MAX as crosstown connectors to Main spine should also work fine and should attract ridership if free fare and runs often enough.
langosta wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 8:44 pm
@Dave Tom Gerend mentioned at downtowners that there is a big transit plan that KC Streetcar is to be a part of. Future Streetcar extensions coming or just mainstreet route as the back bones tk expanded bus?
Maybe it has something to do with this from a few weeks back...
Yes and no. That's just the NextRail map, which will just be an input to a much larger plan.
langosta wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 8:44 pm
@Dave Tom Gerend mentioned at downtowners that there is a big transit plan that KC Streetcar is to be a part of. Future Streetcar extensions coming or just mainstreet route as the back bones tk expanded bus?
Maybe it has something to do with this from a few weeks back...
Yes and no. That's just the NextRail map, which will just be an input to a much larger plan.
Much larger rail plan or bus similar to Smart Moves?
earthling wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 8:01 am
Would think 12th St to W Bottoms and/or NKC would be easiest to fund with TDD tax? All would be great to have but MAX as crosstown connectors to Main spine should also work fine and should attract ridership if free fare and runs often enough.
A citywide NKC TDD could cover 20% of the cost of a route to 18th Ave (Armour is 19th). They even mention funding it in a regional context in the study
It's the cost of crossing the river that's the problem. It's a mile of nothing.
One thing to keep in mind with future transit votes, in the 2014 TDD, the east side voted against bus improvements and for rail improvements. The precinct right at the end of the proposed Indep Ave rail line voted 60% for the project.
The big need that hopefully has been looked at since then is to find out why people don't vote for bus system improvements.
earthling wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 8:01 am
Would think 12th St to W Bottoms and/or NKC would be easiest to fund with TDD tax? All would be great to have but MAX as crosstown connectors to Main spine should also work fine and should attract ridership if free fare and runs often enough.
The big need that hopefully has been looked at since then is to find out why people don't vote for bus system improvements.
Bus for minorities and trains for the whites. This mentality, based on past projects in other cities, has clouded many newer proposals. Nashville's massive train/bus proposal was swayed greatly by that mentality.
earthling wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 8:01 am
Would think 12th St to W Bottoms and/or NKC would be easiest to fund with TDD tax? All would be great to have but MAX as crosstown connectors to Main spine should also work fine and should attract ridership if free fare and runs often enough.
The big need that hopefully has been looked at since then is to find out why people don't vote for bus system improvements.
Bus for minorities and trains for the whites. This mentality, based on past projects in other cities, has clouded many newer proposals. Nashville's massive train/bus proposal was swayed greatly by that mentality.
Streetcar expantion was on the ballot in for the east side and was summarly rejected, by the residents of the East side. Dave could probaby speak better to this but but I believe your accusation is baseless.
flyingember wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 10:19 am
The big need that hopefully has been looked at since then is to find out why people don't vote for bus system improvements.
Bus for minorities and trains for the whites. This mentality, based on past projects in other cities, has clouded many newer proposals. Nashville's massive train/bus proposal was swayed greatly by that mentality.
Streetcar expantion was on the ballot in for the east side and was summarly rejected, by the residents of the East side. Dave could probaby speak better to this but but I believe your accusation is baseless.
Right and wrong.
The east side voted against a Prospect bus upgrade that was bundled into the train vote. The highest yes numbers in that election was along the train line. The precincts along the proposed routes actually voted > 50% for that project *when including the east side vote*. Precincts far away from the train, including next to the bus project, voted against the project. White areas far away from the train voted against the project too.
It had nothing to do with the train and everything to do with the taxes being put on people that would live far away from the train line.
The much smaller TDD that is leading to the expansion to UMKC passed because it limited the taxing district to the areas that could best benefit from the project.
