Make Grand Grand

Issues concerning Downtown as described by the Downtown Council. River to 31st Street, I-35 to Bruce R. Watkins.
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wow, I've seen a car parked on a bike lane before, be never anything like that.
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There's no consistency to bike lanes throughout the city. And as far as I'm aware this is a new concept to people
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Again, without the paint and barriers, you may as well do nothing
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Here’s Brian Platt’s response to the parking on the Grand lanes

He says they’re not completed yet

https://twitter.com/briandavidplatt/sta ... IBQbXkqUAA
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Yeah I think it was pretty clear it wasn't done yet but it's still funny nobody figured it out. I actually saw one car parked correctly today.
Cratedigger wrote: Tue Aug 02, 2022 4:25 pm There's no consistency to bike lanes throughout the city. And as far as I'm aware this is a new concept to people
Consistency is definitely a challenge even on the same street but these have existed on Armour for awhile.
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KCPowercat wrote: Tue Aug 02, 2022 6:03 pm Yeah I think it was pretty clear it wasn't done yet but it's still funny nobody figured it out. I actually saw one car parked correctly today.
Cratedigger wrote: Tue Aug 02, 2022 4:25 pm There's no consistency to bike lanes throughout the city. And as far as I'm aware this is a new concept to people
Consistency is definitely a challenge even on the same street but these have existed on Armour for awhile.
What did the car look like? Maybe it was me because I parked correctly for the hour I was downtown today! People looked at me like I was crazy yet they're the dumb dumbs that can't read basic paint.
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Might work if little yellow posts separated the bike lanes from parking lanes but the bigger original mistake was putting a bike lane down a downtown street that has over a dozen bus lines. 100% WTF. Could only work if bike lanes are physically isolated but even then Walnut the better choice.
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earthling wrote: Tue Aug 02, 2022 6:32 pm Might work if little yellow posts separated the bike lanes from parking lanes but the bigger original mistake was putting a bike lane down a downtown street that has over a dozen bus lines. 100% WTF. Could only work if bike lanes are physically isolated but even then Walnut the better choice.
Personally, I would almost never use these new bikes lanes on Grand. They're a disaster waiting to happen. It's not going to be long until someone gets run over.
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im2kull wrote: Tue Aug 02, 2022 6:36 pm
earthling wrote: Tue Aug 02, 2022 6:32 pm Might work if little yellow posts separated the bike lanes from parking lanes but the bigger original mistake was putting a bike lane down a downtown street that has over a dozen bus lines. 100% WTF. Could only work if bike lanes are physically isolated but even then Walnut the better choice.
Personally, I would almost never use these new bikes lanes on Grand. They're a disaster waiting to happen. It's not going to be long until someone gets run over.
I'd be happy with zero bike lanes, but I get it and will park accordingly!
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Yeah I'd just move the bike lane off grand maybe the crossroads cycle track will change my mind though
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KCPowercat wrote: Tue Aug 02, 2022 10:00 pm Yeah I'd just move the bike lane off grand maybe the crossroads cycle track will change my mind though
I'm starting to have my doubts that they accomplish the cycle track extension up to 12th this year since they haven't done any work yet. But once it's up and running, catch ya later Grand- especially SOT since they still won't repaint it.
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Without markings most people will default to what they know, park close to the curb. Plus with parking meters at the curb people will be drawn to that spot, again because it is what they know. Paint & markings will help for sure. Heck move the meters over as well
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These items are coming so this is just a temp problem. Moving on.
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KCPowercat wrote: Wed Aug 03, 2022 7:05 am These items are coming so this is just a temp problem. Moving on.
Human beings inability to pay attention to even the most basic forms of instruction is not a temporary problem. Lol
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Well yeah no doubt there. Given that we should have expected this the whole time.
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Good design anticipates human error and bad design doesn’t
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KCPowercat wrote: Wed Aug 03, 2022 7:05 am These items are coming so this is just a temp problem. Moving on.
What "items". They don't need more freaking signs. Just people with brains.

Buy yea, doing this just blocks at a time on top of barley maintaining them once installed and nobody is going to take them seriously. Including cyclists.
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GRID wrote: Wed Aug 03, 2022 11:06 am
KCPowercat wrote: Wed Aug 03, 2022 7:05 am These items are coming so this is just a temp problem. Moving on.
What "items". They don't need more freaking signs. Just people with brains.

Buy yea, doing this just blocks at a time on top of barley maintaining them once installed and nobody is going to take them seriously. Including cyclists.
Ballards separating the parking lane from the bike lane.
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shinatoo wrote: Wed Aug 03, 2022 12:18 pm
GRID wrote: Wed Aug 03, 2022 11:06 am
KCPowercat wrote: Wed Aug 03, 2022 7:05 am These items are coming so this is just a temp problem. Moving on.
What "items". They don't need more freaking signs. Just people with brains.

Buy yea, doing this just blocks at a time on top of barley maintaining them once installed and nobody is going to take them seriously. Including cyclists.
Ballards separating the parking lane from the bike lane.
Physically separate bike lanes are always best. But you still don't just see a row of cars parked on a bike like like that. Lots of cities have bike lanes between the curb and parking spots and I have never seen that everybody just ignore the bike lane like that. People have to have some common sense.
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We are just dumb hicks
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