Bannister Mall/Cerner

[GRID]

If KC builds out the riverfront, a royals move downtown and they build up the area around a stadium and housing really starts to take off along the streetcar route, I really think KC could finally have the urban core it needs to get it over the hump.

[brewcrew1000]

Nashville is not going anywhere. That city is going to be twice the size of KC in 20-30 years. In just the 1990's, Nashville felt like a city half the city of KC. It's downtown is now already four times the size of KC's and it's not slowing down. It's not my type of city either, but it is what it is.

Nashville is growing yes but i don't think the urban core has really grown into this dense walkable area, Nashville is a pretty large city and the growth feels like its spreading outward more than inward expect a few places downtown.


This Oracle move is a nonstory from a KC point of view. Oracle had its HQ already in Austin, so this is more of a loss for Austin than it is KC. I also think Oracle is just using Nashville as a tax dodge, they will probably end up moving again

[GRID]

Downtown Nashville is more urban, more built up and larger than downtown KC now and rapidly pulling away.

Not sure how you can deny that. It doesn't really have the warehouse districts that KC has, although they do have more actual neighborhoods that surround downtown. That city's downtown has built a shit ton in just the last ten years. They typically have at least 20-30 tower cranes up downtown and have had that now for 10-15 years. KC does not even remotely compare as far as urban development and Nashville has barely even gotten started IMO. They will have a urban district the size of downtown KC on the other side of the river within ten years around their new super stadium for the Titans and yes, a new MLB stadium will be in Nashville within ten years. Hopefully the Royals won't be the tenant.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYVeTBugYH8

Now that does not mean I prefer Nashville over KC. There is something about KC I like about it over Nashville or any other city that has popped up overnight like that. But KC has got to grow a little faster and concentrate more of the growth it does get in the urban core or KC is going to struggle to remain a 2nd or 3rd tier city.

But Nashville is going to be a "major" city in the coming decades, think the size of Atlanta or something today, which is bizarre to me since I remember Nashville when it was more like Omaha. Same with Austin.

I do agree the Oracle story is a non story. They were never going to consider KC. But I can see them staying in Nashville. They are building an urban near downtown campus on the riverfront. Even if they don't stay in Nashville, the city will easily re-fill whatever Oracle builds since they are not building a 1980's office park in a run down suburban area off the interstate miles from anything.

Those SKC Cerner buildings look like they were built in the middle of a landfill and you can't even get close to them because the entire area is locked down.

[ericwyner]

https://www.bizjournals.com/kansascity/ ... ition.html (Paywall)

[Cratedigger]

Oracle Cerner down to #5 largest private employer in the city

[brewcrew1000]

I'm not really surprised by this, Cerner has been going down the tubes for the last decade.
I could see Cerner pulling completely out of KC in the next 10 years

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/oracle-2 ... 29084.html

[langosta]

I'm not really surprised by this, Cerner has been going down the tubes for the last decade.
I could see Cerner pulling completely out of KC in the next 10 years

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/oracle-2 ... 29084.html

We must do better at growing local talent. Nearest high quality university is in St Louis. Our state schools are not even close to competitive.

[Anthony_Hugo98]

I'm not really surprised by this, Cerner has been going down the tubes for the last decade.
I could see Cerner pulling completely out of KC in the next 10 years

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/oracle-2 ... 29084.html

We must do better at growing local talent. Nearest high quality university is in St Louis. Our state schools are not even close to competitive.

UMKC is definitely approaching contention, as far as urban core goes. We still have pretty stellar state colleges surrounding that pretty consistently keep people in the region.

[langosta]

I'm not really surprised by this, Cerner has been going down the tubes for the last decade.
I could see Cerner pulling completely out of KC in the next 10 years

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/oracle-2 ... 29084.html

We must do better at growing local talent. Nearest high quality university is in St Louis. Our state schools are not even close to competitive.

UMKC is definitely approaching contention, as far as urban core goes. We still have pretty stellar state colleges surrounding that pretty consistently keep people in the region.

Is this a joke

[Chris Stritzel]

KC doesn’t have a WashU or SLU, but we should be happy of the colleges we do have.

[FangKC]

Let's put it this way, KC doesn't have a university that produces enough talent so that the city can grow and maintain Fortune 500 companies--some of which could keep Downtown KC as a big job center.

It's a problem that should have been remedied 100 years ago.

[langosta]

Let's put it this way, KC doesn't have a university that produces enough talent so that the city can grow and maintain Fortune 500 companies--some of which could keep Downtown KC as a big job center.

It's a problem that should have been remedied 100 years ago.

Agree. Cerner even said so

[Sani]

Is KU far enough away that companies can't recruit from there? Seems like a fairly natural flow of talent from Lawrence to KC.

[chingon]

KC doesn’t have a WashU or SLU, but we should be happy of the colleges we do have.

Hahahahaha. SLU.

[Cratedigger]

KC doesn’t have a WashU or SLU, but we should be happy of the colleges we do have.

Hahahahaha. SLU.

It would be transformational for Kansas City if Rockhurst U became 75% of the school SLU is

[FangKC]

Is KU far enough away that companies can't recruit from there? Seems like a fairly natural flow of talent from Lawrence to KC.

It's more than just the students becoming employees. Universities retain academic talent who act as consultants/experts in many fields that benefit local industry and business. Universities produce research. Proximity to universities produces economic activity. Strong universities birth new industries, businesses. and innovation (U.C.-Berkley, U.C.-San Francisco, Stanford--Silicon Valley; multiple universities in Boston and NYC; Northwestern, Univ. of Chicago in Chicago; (Caltech (Pasadena)/UCLA/USC in Los Angeles; Baylor, Univ. of Texas, Rice--Houston). The pharmaceutical industry benefits from much basic research done at universities. Caltech manages the Jet Propulsion Lab for NASA.

Texas Medical Center is the world's largest medical center. It contains 54 medicine-related institutions, with 21 hospitals and eight specialty institutions, eight academic and research institutions, four medical schools, seven nursing schools, three public health organizations, two pharmacy schools, and a dental school. All 54 institutions are not-for-profit. Among the affiliated medical schools are the University of Texas Health Science Center at Houston, Baylor College of Medicine, University of Texas Medical Branch at Galveston, and Texas A&M College of Medicine. The TMC has the world's highest density of clinical facilities for patient care, basic biomedical sciences, and translational research.

The Texas Medical Center employs over 106,000 people, hosts 10 million patient encounters annually, and has a gross domestic product of $25 billion. It was founded in 1945.

It's effect on Houston's economy cannot be understated.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Medical_Center

[langosta]

Is KU far enough away that companies can't recruit from there? Seems like a fairly natural flow of talent from Lawrence to KC.

They do but it’s not a well regarded school, even amongst state schools.

[chingon]

It would be transformational for Kansas City if Rockhurst U became 75% of the school SLU is

Hahahahaha. Rockhurst.

[Sani]

I guess I'm out of the loop on which schools are strong and which are jokes. But I got a print journalism degree from Webster University (the one in Webster Groves, not one of the strip mall MBA mills), so it's not like I made good academic decisions either.

[chingon]

If the result of having "good" universities in the metro is you end up being a town like Nashville or Austin, I'll pass.