chingon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2024 12:59 pm
If the result of having "good" universities in the metro is you end up being a town like Nashville or Austin, I'll pass.
Honestly this. We have healthy growth rates as a region, are trending in the right direction with regard to attracting business in the region, and have a healthy startup scene, while also being an overall wide spread industry base, with no heavy specific industry.
I’m fine with our 1% growth and still being a relatively hidden gem
chingon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2024 12:59 pm
If the result of having "good" universities in the metro is you end up being a town like Nashville or Austin, I'll pass.
chingon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2024 12:59 pm
If the result of having "good" universities in the metro is you end up being a town like Nashville or Austin, I'll pass.
I don't understand that mentality at all.
Why?
Growth rates in both cities led to some significant issues with regard to those local areas, given both were in regions that were fairly easy development environments, so they absorbed a lot of that demand well, but not without significant growing pains
I don't want that hypergrowth either. However, I don't think one can say that KCMO's Downtown is healthy because it lacks big corporate headquarters. It's not only jobs but philanthropy that helps elevate a city. They also have the soft power that pushes city leadership to do better with maintaining infrastructure, public safety, cleanliness, and aesthetic things like keeping street trees in place, landscaping, and maintaining flower planters.
DST wasn't the biggest company in the world, but it had a huge impact on Downtown Kansas City redeveloping Quality Hill and other locations.
FangKC wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2024 12:03 am
I don't want that hypergrowth either. However, I don't think one can say that KCMO's Downtown is healthy because it lacks big corporate headquarters. It's not only jobs but philanthropy that helps elevate a city. They also have the soft power that pushes city leadership to do better with maintaining infrastructure, public safety, cleanliness, and aesthetic things like keeping street trees in place, landscaping, and maintaining flower planters.
DST wasn't the biggest company in the world, but it had a huge impact on Downtown Kansas City redeveloping Quality Hill and other locations.
No question Downtown can absolutely benefit from a larger corporate presence downtown, and one that should be encouraged no doubt, but thoughtful growth with that is key. The runaway growth patterns that have Austin’s metro sprawling to near Killeen at this point are not something we should be after IMO
Peters Baker is a real piece of shit as a person and a politician, but her ability to prosecute murders is severely restricted by the imbecility of Republican in Jefferson City, and that's a plain fact. Missouri's Stand Your Ground law is a license to kill in many situations that have very little to do with self-defense, and a lot to do making booger eaters in rural MO feel potent.
Theres something about Nashville for me thats unorganic and not particularly appealing as a local. Maybe I'm just mr grumpy but I couldn't bare to be around tourists and drunk college kids and bachelor(ette) parties all the time. The core Downtown area north of Broadway is still relatively quiet from my experience.
You can't however knock the growth of the skyline and the ongoing number of cranes in the sky. Thats why I'd hope any Royals stadium project is simply more than just a stadium, I'd love to see an aggression to poach an anchor office tenant from the suburbs. I see the likes of Seaboard hq'd in a dreary looking building in a quiet corner of Merriam off i35 and just think its a sad indictment of what the business community thinks of Downtown. Unfortunately if its as simple as a CEO being frightened off by crime or traffic, that alone can almost be enough to deter companies from taking the plunge. A growing aesthically pleasing skyline creates a perception than Downtown is healthy and a destination place to be.
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The thing I find so frustrating is I've seen new sidewalks being put in on blocks with no occupied houses, yet sidewalks in and around Downtown are still in bad shape and look terrible.
According to TIF, somehow Oracle met the incentive obligations it assumed.
The Innovations Campus has four offices, opened between 2017 and 2020, plus a retail village area partially built for users like Taco Bell, Arvest Bank and Hampton Inn & Suites. Those uses occupy five of 16 TIF project areas, where six more offices, a clinic, day care, two data centers and a conference center were planned. Cerner's 2016 redevelopment terms called for sequenced construction starts, with seven project areas started by year-end 2023.
However, the terms also allowed the company to start modifying that schedule without prior approval, and without defaulting, after it had built 1.5 million square feet of project improvements. That figure, under Oracle Health, now sits at approximately 1.7 million square feet, according to the TIF report.
However, the terms also allowed the company to start modifying that schedule without prior approval, and without defaulting, after it had built 1.5 million square feet of project improvements.
We need to do a better job thinking through the "worst case scenario" with these TIF projects. No one's asking the question, "what does it look like if they only meet the bare minimum requirements as laid out in the proposal vs. the fancy renderings they're showing off to get it approved?" Or at least, no one involved in the process is answering that question on these projects before they're approved.
Final plans uploaded Tuesday to the city's development database depict a 2,230-square-foot drive-thru Starbucks and 2,400-square-foot quick-service restaurant northwest of Bannister and Hillcrest roads. Oracle Health owns the 1.8-acre site, and GMX Real Estate Group LLC of Northbrook, Illinois, is listed as the developer. The plans require administrative approval from the Planning and Development Department.
GRID wrote: ↑Wed Jul 16, 2014 1:31 pm
The last three posts summed it up. im2kull is so right. I don't think people are grasping how much money and how big a wasted opportunity this is for kc. I mean, lets say there is no way they will go downtown. Then don't offer quite so many incentives and still force Cerner to come up with a development that will actually help SKC. You don't just give nearly 2 billion in public money to a private company and walk away. You could do something massive with those types of incentives. You could do a master planned community like Stapelton in Denver and still have enough for Cerner to get some very nice incentives. Then you would be doing something that would actually help KCMO not Lee's Summit and Johnson County.
What is the matter with KCMO and MO?
Well mean touched on it. If KCMO didn't bend over what tends to happen next?
Kansas offers Cerner 2.5 billion to build the campus out along K-10 or something and before anybody knows what happened, the project on the MO side is dead and that would be an even worse option.
So KCMO bends over and bends over fast.
There has to be a way to stop this.
Bump. This has been the dumbest development and lack of vision in KC history, ever.
