Bannister Mall/Cerner

[mgsports]

Annouce more Commerical.

[AlkaliAxel]

^Need grants and/or philanthropy that creates school divisions like Bloch School of Mgmt at UMKC. City and local ecodev groups should encourage a rich Cerner exec from Cerner/Oracle sale to start a ComSci/Tech school within UMKC. At least programs that focus on skills Oracle/Cerner needs. A lot of tech jobs just need certifications (some are difficult), not BS degrees so building up junior college programs and high school votech toward certs would be a good start too.

We have a ComSci program at UMKC. Granted, I don’t know how good it is, but I had friends who were in it.

We also just opened a brand new Engineering building last year. They’re planning to renovate the old Bloch building too and make it alot better like the new Bloch is.

I believe UMKC is partnered with Stowers Institute too, which is a big medical research facility on campus. Atleast we have 2 good Med schools in KC.

[earthling]

^Yes aware of existing degree programs but talking about a larger endowment that raises the bar for UMKC and also focus on developing skills locally needed by Oracle/Cerner, upcoming data center investments, etc. Stowers is another good example. Need one to degree of Stowers/Bloch for tech and ComSci.

[FangKC]

... Atleast we have 2 good Med schools in KC.

Three. KU, UMKC, and Kansas City University of Medicine and Biosciences. KCUMB produces the most medical graduates each year.

https://www.kansascity.edu/

[AlkaliAxel]

^Yes aware of existing degree programs but talking about a larger endowment that raises the bar for UMKC and also focus on developing skills locally needed by Oracle/Cerner, upcoming data center investments, etc. Stowers is another good example. Need one to degree of Stowers/Bloch for tech and ComSci.

Yes, but between KU and UMKC I would assume maybe one of the two schools is picking up slack in tech? Maybe KU if UMKC isn’t

[earthling]

^I'm sure they're pumping out plenty of general ComSci related degrees but it would be nice to have an (Insert Cerner Exec Name Here) School of Health Tech at UMKC endowed by namesake Cerner exec who cashed in a nice Oracle/Cerner buyout and creates programs specific to say Health IT and other tech skills in local demand.

[normalthings]

That’s not what the rankings say? Our schools by the rankings are solid state schools. KU business school is pretty well ranked. Now I agree we’re lacking a private school but KU & MU grads do perfectly fine. We’re not Alabama lol.

Are you referring to ~120th ranked KU and MU or where you thinking 249th ranked UMKC. They are not great schools. If they where good, we would have Apple, google, etc engineering operations here by now. Instead those are going places with good schools, NC, AUSTIN , NASHVILLE, ETC.

The quality of the tech and comp sci programs is poor. Our local grads need almost a year of additional training before they are on par with graduates of actual good schools. Our only saving grace is the ability to attract graduates from other regions.We have no top tier or even near top tier schools in our region. The state schools are outside of the metro so you loose most potential synergies and they aren’t highly ranked anyways.

With big corporate and personal donors, STL took 50 years to turn a good regional school into a top tier school with international draw. They now have 1 good national school and 1 great, top-20 national school. We will needs many billions of dollars and many decades to do the same here. Turning around KU MED and hospital hill is a good initial step (medicine is a money maker) but those are yet to be competitive programs on the level of WUSTL/BJC and even Omaha’s proposed stuff.

[FangKC]

The reason San Jose is a tech hub is because Stanford University is nearby.

Colonel Thomas Swope would have done Kansas City a lot more good had he helped fund a significant local university instead of donating Swope Park to KCMO. Then following philanthropists could have continued to build it out.

Major universities help build city economies. University of Kansas City (that later became UMKC) didn't get started until 1930. The City would have benefitted more had a major university been founded in 1896 when Kansas City was really growing and developing its' economy.

A lot of large cities benefit mostly from local university research efforts in addition to providing a new talent pool of graduates each year.

[TheLastGentleman]

Kinda sucks that cities are at the mercy of its patrons like this. Seems like university funding should be based on regional population or something besides how much pocket change the local Uncle Pennybags has to throw around

[normalthings]

Kinda sucks that cities are at the mercy of its patrons like this. Seems like university funding should be based on regional population or something besides how much pocket change the local Uncle Pennybags has to throw around

Austin, NC, California, etc benefit from great state universities. Our region’s populous chooses not to fund their state institutions and so a private university is out only foreseeable path.

[TheLastGentleman]

Austin, NC, California, etc benefit from great state universities. Our region’s populous chooses not to fund their state institutions and so a private university is out only foreseeable path.

Yeah, really sucks

[AlkaliAxel]

That’s not what the rankings say? Our schools by the rankings are solid state schools. KU business school is pretty well ranked. Now I agree we’re lacking a private school but KU & MU grads do perfectly fine. We’re not Alabama lol.

Are you referring to ~120th ranked KU and MU or where you thinking 249th ranked UMKC.

Yes I was…there were almost 500 schools on that list. And amongst state schools, KU & MU were in the middle or ahead of most of the other state schools, just skimming through the list.

And…what’s you’re issue with KU Med? It’s ranked #7 nationally in primary care, and solidly ranked for research. You keep *insanely* shitting on a very highly ranked school. I genuinely don’t know what your issue is.

And you guys can try to deny it all you want- KU is essentially a KC university. Most Grads from KU are from KC or they’re heading to KC. Be realistic lol.

[normalthings]

KU Med is ranked 75th for research. Research is what drives innovation/jobs. It’s a big business and KU Med admits they are not doing as good of a job as they should be even with their current facilities. Ground breaking research at schools like WUSTL is what attracts top talent, big grants, and wealthy patients.

KU itself is in the region but it’s not in KC. It’s too far for direct student spend (bars, shopping, etc) and too far for students to work internships and co-ops during the year. As said before, it’s not a top university creating top tier talent.

Apple, Google, etc are recruiting top tier talent. Top tier talent does not mean the same thing to those businesses as it does to locals here.

[AlkaliAxel]

KU Med is ranked 75th for research. Research is what drives innovation/jobs. It’s a big business and KU Med admits they are not doing as good of a job as they should be even with their current facilities. Ground breaking research at schools like WUSTL is what attracts top talent, big grants, and wealthy patients.

KU itself is in the region but it’s not in KC. It’s too far for direct student spend (bars, shopping, etc) and too far for students to work internships and co-ops during the year. As said before, it’s not a top university creating top tier talent.

Apple, Google, etc are recruiting top tier talent. Top tier talent does not mean the same thing to those businesses as it does to locals here.

The colleges aren’t driving mass-growth here, but they’re not hurting us either. They’re normal schools, they’re fine. They have some great programs, and some weak ones.

You can’t just compare everything to Top 15 schools like Stanford and Wash.

I agree we should try to boost the schools, but I think WFA is actually gonna relieve a lot of the issues of that for us.

[GRID]

It's still crazy how far behind the times Cerner was. Pretty much nobody is building these suburban campuses of boxes surrounded by surface parking lots anymore.

Just using Richmond as an example.

CoStar just announced a major two building expansion to their 1 million sq complex in Downtown Richmond.


This just after Dominion opened their new tower last year in Richmond.

[normalthings]

agreed, the Plaza if not downtown. Need urban core HQs

[earthling]

Cerner job creation questioned, which impacts incentives. Also wonder how many jobs are technically based in the complex but living well outside metro. Over 60% of KC-based job postings still qualify for remote.

Will be interesting to see if Oracle embraces the incentives deal or allows to expire unmet. We probably won't know until acquisition closes, which may not occur until Q4 this year.

If Oracle doesn't intend to commit to the number of jobs required for full incentives at Bannister, KCMO should rework incentives deal for more data centers (Oracle Cloud, not necessarily Cerner specific) at Bannister and arrange a deal with W&R building downtown.

[earthling]

Cerner job postings for KC continue to favor 'virtual' remote, rising to 65% of job postings. Of 500 KC job postings as of today, 327 qualify for remote. Many if not most appear to be work from anywhere, not required to live in KC area.

Do remote employees outside KC metro but based out of KC site pay the 1% income city tax?

[CorneliusFB]

No, e-tax doesn’t apply to remote workers living outside KCMO.

[WoodDraw]

Is there a company that did less for KC than Cerner? Garmin I guess? Applebee's?

KC ends up with the worst companies.