Downtown Baseball Stadium

[GRID]

What if the basketball experience were incorporated into the stadium? Doesn't make sense I guess (basketball?), but it could be a possibility.

[Highlander]

The location west of EV could be this site called “P&L site” on the KC stars page. It’d be a tight fit.

https://www.kansascity.com/opinion/edit ... 24199.html

What are the bounding streets for those of us without subscriptions? Are you talking about the two square blocks directly north of the T-Mobile Center?

That would indeed be a tight fit. But very centric and would kill a couple of birds with a single stone.

12th& 13th with Grand & Oak

In the image, the stadium takes out the college basketball experience (lol)

Yea that's the site I was thinking you were speaking of but didn't realize it took out 13th street and the basketball experience. In that scenario, it would essentially abut T-Mobile and would the Court of Appeals building be an issue? Another problem would be not having any E-W through traffic through downtown between 12th and Truman. Surmountable but not ideal.

[Riverite]

Expect a completely different location to be announced. Still downtown, but not east village. Things are moving fast.

Location?

I can’t say exactly but all the partners involved met recently and renderings were shown. I’m getting my information from the pitch deck presented to the partners. I’m sure this new location involves complications and could prove to be too difficult. It does seem to be the number one choice and flavor of the week.

Any sense of when they will come out with a definitive choice?

[mRoyal]

=Here's one more wild guess...take the Populous "Living Park" design https://www.si.com/mlb/2014/03/13/popul ... ark-dayjpg and put it in Washington Sq Park. Might fit, once you dig down (and keep in mind stadium trends are reducing capacity for better, higher-end amenities, so guessing it won't be a 40k seater.)

[DColeKC]

The location west of EV could be this site called “P&L site” on the KC stars page. It’d be a tight fit.

https://www.kansascity.com/opinion/edit ... 24199.html

What are the bounding streets for those of us without subscriptions? Are you talking about the two square blocks directly north of the T-Mobile Center?

That would indeed be a tight fit. But very centric and would kill a couple of birds with a single stone.

12th& 13th with Grand & Oak

In the image, the stadium takes out the college basketball experience (lol)

The CBE is a waste of space anyway!

[KCPowercat]

Come on DC!

[earthling]

A bold thing to say when P&L has some spots never filled.

[KCPowercat]

I kinda like the jail location better and it's west of EV

[DColeKC]

A bold thing to say when P&L has some spots never filled.

The entire world has experienced retail leasing issues over the last 15 years. What’s the CBE’s excuse for being a massively underutilized space? Point is, the CBE can go away for something that will use the space in a better overall capacity. Just like how some empty retail will soon be demolished to make way for a residential tower in PNL.

[GRID]

A bold thing to say when P&L has some spots never filled.

The entire world has experienced retail leasing issues over the last 15 years. What’s the CBE’s excuse for being a massively underutilized space? Point is, the CBE can go away for something that will use the space in a better overall capacity. Just like how some empty retail will soon be demolished to make way for a residential tower in PNL.

I'm actually impressed at how well the P&L has stayed leased considering everything. Small downtown workforce, no pro tenant in the arena etc.

Do you think the World Cup will expedite any plans for Cordish? Especially the hotel?

[KCPowercat]

As a neighbor I wish that retail space stayed and useful amenities added. District Tan ain't it.

I'm not blaming Cordish on this, I understand it's not their problem, it's a nationwide retail problem, but it would still be nice

[AlkaliAxel]

Mayor Q just said on radio he prefers Downtown/EV over an 18th & Vine stadium.

Concerns about gentrification and ruining the community at Vine.

Well shit, there goes that.

[KCPowercat]

yeah 18th and vine location is dead if he's floating that.

[KCDowntown]

One problem with locations like the jail site, the 12th & Grand site, and Washington Square Park is the lack of space for spin-off development. Its seems like a known fact that Sherman and the group want to profit off of ancillary development around the stadium and these locations don't leave much (if any) space for any of that.

One thought I've had is the far east crossroads or even the KC Star plant offer blocks where you can buy up a large amount of space with few different property owners and have space around the stadium that don't have high impact usage that can be bought up.

Regardless, we likely won't know anything until the Royals have a press conference or someone on here decides to be a KCRag hero.

KCDowntown

[AlkaliAxel]

One problem with locations like the jail site, the 12th & Grand site, and Washington Square Park is the lack of space for spin-off development. Its seems like a known fact that Sherman and the group want to profit off of ancillary development around the stadium and these locations don't leave much (if any) space for any of that.

One thought I've had is the far east crossroads or even the KC Star plant offer blocks where you can buy up a large amount of space with few different property owners and have space around the stadium that don't have high impact usage that can be bought up.

Regardless, we likely won't know anything until the Royals have a press conference or someone on here decides to be a KCRag hero.

KCDowntown

I heard Sherman say in an interview "it would be nice to round out the CBD" so I think he wants it land somewhere in the sphere of that

[kboish]

I guess if they put it in the parking lots in the North Loop and then push for de-commissioning the North Loop, they could have a lot of spin off development space.

[Riverite]

What does everyone suppose the timeline is on announcing an actual location?

[DColeKC]

One problem with locations like the jail site, the 12th & Grand site, and Washington Square Park is the lack of space for spin-off development. Its seems like a known fact that Sherman and the group want to profit off of ancillary development around the stadium and these locations don't leave much (if any) space for any of that.

One thought I've had is the far east crossroads or even the KC Star plant offer blocks where you can buy up a large amount of space with few different property owners and have space around the stadium that don't have high impact usage that can be bought up.

Regardless, we likely won't know anything until the Royals have a press conference or someone on here decides to be a KCRag hero.

KCDowntown

This one may work a bit different. We don’t need the stadium itself to spark more development. All the development done has sparked the desire for a downtown stadium. So why not put it where already completed development can capitalize? Would only help downtown leasing for example.

Not to mention, even the space planned for residential across the way in crossroads can be considered ballpark living.

I wish we could demo the parking garage at 13th and Grand.

[KCDowntown]

We don’t need the stadium itself to spark more development.

I agree with this sentiment 100%, and think the closer they can get it to existing amenities the better for KC. I'm just saying that one of the benefits for the owners of moving downtown is to profit off the move by developing around it. The more that ownership can profit off the development probably drops what they are going to ask in public financing.

I wish we could demo the parking garage at 13th and Grand.

I'll second that, I hate that thing with a passion.

KCDowntown

[earthling]

A bold thing to say when P&L has some spots never filled.

The entire world has experienced retail leasing issues over the last 15 years. What’s the CBE’s excuse for being a massively underutilized space? Point is, the CBE can go away for something that will use the space in a better overall capacity. Just like how some empty retail will soon be demolished to make way for a residential tower in PNL.

I'm actually impressed at how well the P&L has stayed leased considering everything. Small downtown workforce, no pro tenant in the arena etc.

The space/daytime+nighttime population ratio is what matters, not whether downtown is smaller workforce than other markets. Downtown retail vacancy was tight at 2-3% range before pandemic yet prime 14th/Main NW spot never once had a tenant. P&L has typically had higher vacancy than rest of downtown. So yes, bold thing for him to say.