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moderne wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2024 10:15 pm I would like to think it will fit in if Oak got bowed to the east. It would be expensive, but could even replace the freeway overpass with an angled bridge(since the vision includes the freeway park construction). I am warming to the idea of 2 blocks of new mid rise development east of Oak. It would almost move Crown Center 2 blocks closer to the traditional CBD. I am a preservationist but I just do not see any significant losses in razing the blocks for greater height and density.

You are not a preservationist. Possibly a preservationist with no creativity. There are plenty of empty blocks nearby to build your hotel or whatever you need, without tearing down any historic structures. New development does not have to be within a few feet of the stadium, it can be a half block/full block/2 blocks away. Come on.

taxi wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 12:56 pm

moderne wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2024 10:15 pm I would like to think it will fit in if Oak got bowed to the east. It would be expensive, but could even replace the freeway overpass with an angled bridge(since the vision includes the freeway park construction). I am warming to the idea of 2 blocks of new mid rise development east of Oak. It would almost move Crown Center 2 blocks closer to the traditional CBD. I am a preservationist but I just do not see any significant losses in razing the blocks for greater height and density.

You are not a preservationist. Possibly a preservationist with no creativity. There are plenty of empty blocks nearby to build your hotel or whatever you need, without tearing down any historic structures. New development does not have to be within a few feet of the stadium, it can be a half block/full block/2 blocks away. Come on.

What historic structures are in close proximity to the stadium footprint? I think we've talked about the U-Haul building being worth saving if possible, but what else?

Fire station is cool because it's the oldest standing in KC but that one will be tough to reuse probably

KCPowercat wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 2:30 pm Fire station is cool because it's the oldest standing in KC but that one will be tough to reuse probably

It's also across Locust, so not in the planned overall footprint.

Was nice to see several large "VOTE YES" signs on the side of buildings in and around East Crossroads today.

DColeKC wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 2:44 pm

KCPowercat wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 2:30 pm Fire station is cool because it's the oldest standing in KC but that one will be tough to reuse probably

It's also across Locust, so not in the planned overall footprint.

Was nice to see several large "VOTE YES" signs on the side of buildings in and around East Crossroads today.

Same side as uhaul

1604 Locust St
https://maps.app.goo.gl/Jt4zQB3cF3igtUe59

KCPowercat wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 2:49 pm

DColeKC wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 2:44 pm

KCPowercat wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 2:30 pm Fire station is cool because it's the oldest standing in KC but that one will be tough to reuse probably

It's also across Locust, so not in the planned overall footprint.

Was nice to see several large "VOTE YES" signs on the side of buildings in and around East Crossroads today.

Same side as uhaul

1604 Locust St
https://maps.app.goo.gl/Jt4zQB3cF3igtUe59

It's across the street from U-Haul. Just outside the planned development footprint.

You said across locust. That's the working active fire station, my link is to the historic oldest one that is same side of locust across 16th. That's the one be more likely to save.maybe go walk the neighborhood and check it out or visit the link I posted.

KCPowercat wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 3:16 pm You said across locust. That's the working active fire station, my link is to the historic oldest one that is same side of locust across 16th. That's the one be more likely to save.maybe go walk the neighborhood and check it out or visit the link I posted.

I've walked this area a thousand times, never noticed the sign on the exterior of the building. But understand which one you're referring to, can't imagine it's worth the save. Interior has been gutted of all past history from what I've read.

Honestly, what’s so historic about that old fire station? It’s not like it was the very first fire station in KC or anything. Is it simply because it’s old?

https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/5861477232 ... njUiY34eiV

As long as it gets immediately replaced and the land isn't demoed and sat on. If they own the property they can build whatever they want over it by right.

Even if I would prefer as much reuse as possible.

DColeKC wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 3:34 pm

KCPowercat wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 3:16 pm You said across locust. That's the working active fire station, my link is to the historic oldest one that is same side of locust across 16th. That's the one be more likely to save.maybe go walk the neighborhood and check it out or visit the link I posted.

I've walked this area a thousand times, never noticed the sign on the exterior of the building. But understand which one you're referring to, can't imagine it's worth the save. Interior has been gutted of all past history from what I've read.

I was just answering your question about what historic buildings we would consider keeping. Oldest fire station in KC fits that description. Agreed probably hard to repurpose.

taxi wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 12:56 pm

moderne wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2024 10:15 pm I would like to think it will fit in if Oak got bowed to the east. It would be expensive, but could even replace the freeway overpass with an angled bridge(since the vision includes the freeway park construction). I am warming to the idea of 2 blocks of new mid rise development east of Oak. It would almost move Crown Center 2 blocks closer to the traditional CBD. I am a preservationist but I just do not see any significant losses in razing the blocks for greater height and density.

You are not a preservationist. Possibly a preservationist with no creativity. There are plenty of empty blocks nearby to build your hotel or whatever you need, without tearing down any historic structures. New development does not have to be within a few feet of the stadium, it can be a half block/full block/2 blocks away. Come on.

Guess I better surrender my membership in the National Trust for Historic Preservation. I'm not an extreme zelot.

I think the premise of historic preservation has been at least somewhat diluted in KC. You could probably find people to stand in front of the bulldozers for the plaza, but we lose a couple of 19th century churches every year and the weld wheel building is being destroyed and the scarritt is rotting and nobody seems to care

HKC definitely seems random in what they decide to care about

Fake neighborhood account! So proud the Cruz/DeSantis machine is working in KC.

https://x.com/kclightrail/status/177441 ... Y5vRYfiNJA

DaveKCMO wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2024 9:43 am Fake neighborhood account! So proud the Cruz/DeSantis machine is working in KC.

https://x.com/kclightrail/status/177441 ... Y5vRYfiNJA

Didn’t you all take the more spineless position of neutrality? “We have worked directly with the Royals to get things we demand but we don’t support or oppose”.

Oh no, a fake HOA account!!!

Imarealperson wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2024 10:08 am Oh no, a fake HOA account!!!

And those scary republicans are behind it don’t ya know!

DaveKCMO wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2024 9:43 am Fake neighborhood account! So proud the Cruz/DeSantis machine is working in KC.

https://x.com/kclightrail/status/177441 ... Y5vRYfiNJA

Pretty sure that Abbott. He has been running voice ads on sports radio mentioning that same url. If you want to properly point your ire.

DColeKC wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2024 9:56 am

DaveKCMO wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2024 9:43 am Fake neighborhood account! So proud the Cruz/DeSantis machine is working in KC.

https://x.com/kclightrail/status/177441 ... Y5vRYfiNJA

Didn’t you all take the more spineless position of neutrality? “We have worked directly with the Royals to get things we demand but we don’t support or oppose”.

i don't see how this is anything other than a bad faith trolling effort by you, man. you are obviously aware that it's a community org with multiple constituents; for example, you have posted several times demonstrating the extent of your familiarity with the fact that the community's constituents aren't universally in support of a yes vote. in that context, the community org's work to get line item improvements that are generally supported by that community and its constituents (like the oak thing and the CID thing) and thus making it more likely that a higher percentage of their constituents will ultimately support it as amended (which i think has probably been achieved given, again, the oak thing and the CID thing) is as much support as you should reasonably hope to get from a community org like this. that's not "spineless" it's "appropriate"... community orgs exist to do shit besides blindly or publicly supporting the same stuff you personally support, for one; for two, there's nothing about securing line item improvements on a given proposal that inherently warrants the immediate full-throated support of the proposal as amended; and there are probably for threes and for fours etc. but it is particularly bizarre to me that you are implying there is anything wrong with how the community org has operated or is operating here in a world where you know a ton of constituents of the community org in question both (a) remain militantly opposed to the proposal and (b) would never change their mind or vote based on a public statement by the community org, anyway