Downtown Baseball Stadium

[KCMax]

Well, the Marlins have been given the OK to explore relocation. Maybe the Downtown Council can build a downtown stadium, and entice the Marlins to move there. The Royals can stay at the TSC. The competition would do Glass good. He'd see that he has to actually invest in his stadium and his team to get people to come to games!

[beautyfromashes]

Well, the Marlins have been given the OK to explore relocation. Maybe the Downtown Council can build a downtown stadium, and entice the Marlins to move there. The Royals can stay at the TSC. The competition would do Glass good. He'd see that he has to actually invest in his stadium and his team to get people to come to games!

They could move the Marlins to Las Vegas.  Oh, wait, the Royals already have that one planned.  Let's see, the next city in line for MLB would be...Jackson, Mississippi.  The Marlins are going to move to Jackson unless the taxpayers there build a new multimillion dollar stadium!!  Be afraid Miami.  Jackson is going to steal your team!!!!!!

[kcdcchef]

miami is on the prowl now, but top contenders are going to be the usual, las vegas, portland, i guess some of you guys think okc too.

[myxomatosis]

As always, Kevin Collison hits the nail on the head.

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascit ... 228510.htm

We need a backup plan if Jackson County voters say no.  If one isn't prepared before this tax goes on the ballot, then it will just reaffirm my belief that our county government is full of scoundrels with egos run amok who only care about their power rather than the greater good of the metropolitan area. 

Along with every other Jackson County voter in the forum, there is no way I'm voting for a Jackson County only tax increase.  These teams are regional assets.  The tax burden should be shared by Jackson, Johnson, Cass, Clay, & Wyandotte.  If that means a team needs to move to Kansas, then so be it.  No one should expect Jackson County voters to take this burden on alone.

either way, in jackson county, bi state II passed easily. and again, it is not even 2 years later, and the pot will get a lot sweeter for the jackson county voters. a lot of which are older types, who fear losing the teams, and see this as a we do it for them every 37 or so years, so let's just do it.

While Jackson County did vote in favor of bi-state 2, that was with the understanding that other counties would share the load.  If this passes, it will be, as you say, due to fear.  However, it is fear of losing prestige & control associated with having the teams in Jackson County.  If their intentions were pure, they would be thinking of a better way to keep these teams in the region.  We live on a state line.  We need to get over it, swallow some pride and do what is best for this region.

[myxomatosis]

Here are the bi state 2 voting results in Jackson County, and why some folks think the tax will pass.

http://www.kceb.org/results/2004/11022004/now.htm

QUESTION NO. 1 - JACKSON COUNTY BI STATE II  
(precincts counted/total) (404 / 404) 100.00  
(ballots/registration) (144011 / 255260) 56.42.
           
           Count (Percent)
YES:      74,928  (61.61)  
NO:       46,683  (38.39)  
TOTAL:  121,611  (100.00)

Now that the Star's favorite whipping boy known as the downtown ballpark is dead, they need to start polling Jackson County residents and see if the forum posters are the minority.

[kcdcchef]

Vegas? Never.... you don't set up shop in the gambling mecca. Funny you mention Portland, a friend from mine said today they will never have baseball there... something about gambling??? I thought he was crazy at first, but he kept re-iterating.

if you want my real opinion, i think florida residents are complete fucken idiots. they cried about wanting baseball for 30 years, got it, and are attempting to run off both franchises.

do i think vegas is a contender? possibly, i mean, proximity to casinos has nothing to do with where teams are. look at jersey, several franchises running around, nfl, nba, nhl, baseball a few miles up the coast, and atlantic city is second only to vegas. question would be, why would las vegas even want a franchise, of any kind? i mean, they have everything they need already, people are not going there to watch sports. and further, over half of their population is part timre residents, that have homes elsewhere.

portland, who knows.

all i know for sure is miami will either get a new stadium, or they won't. the people seem to want it, i am not sure why the house passes it and senate fails it down there, i am not sure the reasoning on that. but when miami gets ready to bolt to portland, vegas, sacramento, salt lake city, whatever the flavor du jour is, you can bet when the time comes, the city and state will be like " wait just one minute, we got a deal for you..................."

chicago did it for the sox
cleveland, eventually, did it for the indians and browns.

the 11th hour in that type of shit is always interesting.

[shaffe]

did anybody watch the video clip of two jacko legislators saying why they opposed the DT park?  my god what a bunch of idiots.  i truely pity the citizens of jackson county for having these morons deciding things.

[Gorlock]

I didn't see the video clip.

But when I voted for Jackson County legislators, I didn't vote for those bozos.  They should all be removed.

Maybe then they will get a clue about what really needs to happen in Jackson County.

[aknowledgeableperson]

I just have to laugh about all of the crybabies whining about not getting a downtown ballpark.  Well, boohoo, you can't win them all.
No support from the county.  No support from the city council - even the mayor speaks out against it, the city manager is silent, and even Fairfield (it's biggest supporter) is mum.

The number of downtown stadium supporters is minimal.  Yes, there might be some overwhelming support for it on this board, but come on.  There are 696 members, not all of them support it, and a big majority haven't even voiced their opinion.  So where is this big groundswell of support for this folly?

I will vote for TSC.  Why?  Because it is truly in the best interests of the whole area.  If it fails then I will cross that bridge when I come to it.

[LenexatoKCMO]

I just have to laugh about all of the crybabies whining about not getting a downtown ballpark.  Well, boohoo, you can't win them all.
No support from the county.  No support from the city council - even the mayor speaks out against it, the city manager is silent, and even Fairfield (it's biggest supporter) is mum.

The number of downtown stadium supporters is minimal.  Yes, there might be some overwhelming support for it on this board, but come on.  There are 696 members, not all of them support it, and a big majority haven't even voiced their opinion.  So where is this big groundswell of support for this folly?

I will vote for TSC.  Why?  Because it is truly in the best interests of the whole area.  If it fails then I will cross that bridge when I come to it.

Boy these TSC supporters sure are hot and bothered to make sure they tell the world that downtown is "dead" as much as they possibly can.  Awfully strong words from a group that is trying to push a ballot initiative through in four months yet doesn't appear to have their shit together in the least.  Are they planning on finally settling on a plan and revealing it to the public sometime around February-March?  I suppose that when you are trying to push that big of a turd past the voters, its a good idea not to let the public see too many details of your plan until the last minute; they might start to see it for what it is worth.  Will see who's plan is "dead" come April.

[WSPanic]

I will vote for TSC.  Why?  Because it is truly in the best interests of the whole area.

Exactly the same reason I will vote against it.

[KCMax]

Northern New Jersey has emerged as a leading candidate for the Marlins. I would think only them, Vegas and Portland would be the only serious contenders if they're serious about moving - which I really don't think they are.

[WSPanic]

Panic, I'm convinced that you and akp are the same person or at minimum 2 status-quo city employees that are part of the problem with this city. You 2 have the inept lack of insight describing all that is wrong and backward with KC and speak up against everything to do with what is right.

What you're convinced of and reality rarely have anything to do with each other. As in this case.

Just because I think downtown baseball is the direction this city should go in, I'm what's wrong? The only way I cannot be "wrong and backwards" is to agree to dump $200 million into a 30 yr old stadium?

Once again, you lend nothing but weak barbs and insults to a discussion about the city. Well done Mickey. Maybe if I put all of my arguments in a huge font with my caps lock on, you will be convinced.

[LenexatoKCMO]

Not to put words in Michael's mouth but I think he was confused and somehow thought you were agreeing with AKP's take on the situation.  We all know that being lumped in with AKP is 'fighten werds. 

[WSPanic]

Not to put words in Michael's mouth but I think he was confused and somehow thought you were agreeing with AKP's take on the situation.  We all know that being lumped in with AKP is 'fighten werds

I know. For a guy that gets up in arms about other posters' perceived lack of "reading comprehension", you'd think Michael would be more careful with his. As per usual, he's more interested in fighting than discussing issues.

[skim82]

Let's just be real here.

The Chiefs will finish the season 9-7 and miss the playoffs.

The Royals are coming off a horrible season.... and their best off-season pick-up could be Sanders... 

Hmm... Plus, Jackson County still hasn't got its crap together and .... What's the final $ amount???

And...... Let's not forget about the roads, schools, and crime rates that are soaring in Jax County... Boy, that really wants to make me go out and vote for (2) 30+ year old stadium renovations topping out at over $700 Million.... 

Let the KS side take the burden of the Chiefs.... And KCMO will incorporate the Royals downtown within the Loop, or just outside of it... giving KC the phatest DT from ChiTown to Dallas. 

[beautyfromashes]

That's why I don't understand the Jackson County officials.  They aren't just setting up a vote for renovations to the TSC, they are setting up a vote for if they have any stadiums at all in eastern jack.  If this vote fails the Royals will move downtown and the Chiefs will move to Kansas.  It's that simple.  If they were smart they would work a compromise with the downtown supporters and attempt to keep the 'better' of the two teams, the Chiefs, in a renovated stadium.  Instead they will lose both and I couldn't care less.

Here's to a SuperBowl (Kansas) and All-Star game (Downtown) in metro Kansas City in the next ten years. 

[Boognish]

That's why I don't understand the Jackson County officials.  They aren't just setting up a vote for renovations to the TSC, they are setting up a vote for if they have any stadiums at all in eastern jack.  If this vote fails the Royals will move downtown and the Chiefs will move to Kansas.  It's that simple.  If they were smart they would work a compromise with the downtown supporters and attempt to keep the 'better' of the two teams, the Chiefs, in a renovated stadium.  Instead they will lose both and I couldn't care less.

Here's to a SuperBowl (Kansas) and All-Star game (Downtown) in metro Kansas City in the next ten years. 

I've thought this was the answer for a long time. Just because we're in the same state as the Jackson County commission doesn't mean we're on the same side. Far from it. Kansas (the entire state, not just two or three counties) would be more than happy to help finance both ours AND theirs if we were to approach the idea with them, something Jefferson City isn't interested in doing. And of the two sides we can go with, ones got the bucks and the other doesn't. I'm more than content with giving Jackson County the finger. If Glass still feels he is on shaky political ground for his best interests, run this plan by the Hunts first and see how quickly they get him to come around.

What happened with the cancelled summit was nothing short of blackballing, support this plan or no. They are trying to flex what meager political muscle they have, without realizing that there aren't really any opposition players yet. If they want to get nasty because they can't get enough KC politicos to sponsor their party for any opposition to be heard, then let's let Topeka into the discussion and see how quickly things turn about. And without the massive tax burden of having the city tackle it itself.

[staubio]

Above I was commenting more on the FACT that panic has has nothing relevant, original or practical to say. No ideas... he likes to flame using short quips. Maybe you can make a valid point sometime without cutting and pasting.

Panic is the LEAST of my concerns in this regard -- he has plenty of useful things to say.

Schugg, on the other hand....

[beautyfromashes]

Schugg, on the other hand....

Eliminate emoticons and that takes care of Schugg.  I don't thing he can read or write.