Rankings, lists, and such

[WSPanic]

Grandmas Bar makes the list of best bars in 2015, never even really heard of this bar before

https://www.yahoo.com/food/esquire-name ... 97211.html

I don't get it. It doesn't even make my list of top dive bars. Or best bars on that block.

What am I missing?

[brewcrew1000]

Grandmas Bar makes the list of best bars in 2015, never even really heard of this bar before

https://www.yahoo.com/food/esquire-name ... 97211.html

I don't get it. It doesn't even make my list of top dive bars. Or best bars on that block.

What am I missing?

Maybe they paid to be on the list or maybe they went to this bar on the trip but meant to put a different bar on the list

[grovester]

Yikes, always thought Esquire was a little better sourced than that.

[earthling]

U-Haul lists KC as #9 destination. This doesn't at all mean top growing city, but nice write-up on KC anyroad...
http://myuhaulstory.com/2015/05/27/u-ha ... -hot-spot/

At No. 9, Kansas City, Mo. is on the U-Haul Top 10 U.S. Destination Cities for 2014, rising one spot from the previous year. These rankings reflect the top destinations of one-way U-Haul truck rentals for the past calendar year.

While migration trends reports don’t correlate directly to a city’s population or economic growth, they are a strong gauge as to how well cities are attracting new residents.

[kcjak]

With all of the positive national press over the past few years, a growing tech industry, low(ish) unemployment, etc. I have to wonder if the metro area population is ever going to see a population spike - seems like growth has been in the 16K-20K range forever.

[earthling]

The U-Haul ranking only shows inbound, not the outbound or net in/out. KC metro isn't growing as fast as it was in the 90s or last decade. The metro had a couple bad years (2011/12) in net migration but starting to return...

http://recenter.tamu.edu/data/pop/popm/cbsa28140.asp

However Minneapolis and even DC can have a bad year with domestic growth/loss despite hot job markets (though international growth more than compensate). Indy and Columbus are growing a bit faster than KC. STL still in a downward spiral.

With KS trying it's hardest to become even more backwards and MO not much better with state level politics, it might a while before KC metro has the gains it used to have. If KC didn't have the recent momentum, could be worse.

[pash]

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[earthling]

Actually it's been a bit of slowdown this decade. It used to be 16K-22K growth per year last 2 decades. This decade has been 16K/yr or less. If the data is correct that is.

KC metro has above avg job openings for its size, so that's not the issue. One possible factor could be that KC ranks fairly high with % boomer generation, perhaps they are retiring at faster rate and heading for warmer weather. Is a known factor for MSP - their growth is slightly lower this decade than last too.

[pash]

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[earthling]

Yeah, generally steady over the long term with a small hiccup after the downturn, but KC is not keeping up with Columbus or Indy. They are maybe benefiting from most of Great Lakes declining (in net migration). Is also curious that most top 40 winter city metros that have state capital are relatively stronger growth of winter cities. Large universities help too.

[FangKC]

Design Tourism

Eight Spots Proving Kansas City Belongs on Any Person's Bucket List


May 22, 2015

http://www.travelandleisure.com/slidesh ... gn-tourism

[FangKC]

The New York Times' article:

The Best and Worst Places to Grow Up: How Your Area Compares

Children who grow up in some places go on to earn much more than they would if they grew up elsewhere.

Not surprised that Jackson and Wyandotte County rate so low on the future income scale. I was surprised that Johnson County, KS, didn't rank higher than it does. Platte, Clay, and Cass counties on the Missouri side all rank higher than Johnson County, Kansas, in future opportunity and income potential. This kind of dispels the notion that Johnson County, Kansas, is the best place to raise a child in the KC Metro.

What is even more surprising though, is how much higher future income projections are for all kids growing up when one lives in some of the more rural counties in Missouri and Kansas: Nemaha, Marshall, Pottawatomie, and Jefferson counties on the Kansas side, and Nodaway, Chariton, Linn, Andrew, Bates, and Carroll counties on the Missouri side.

The other thing that is interesting is that the younger a child is when they move to a better county, the better they do. The benefit decreases if the child is a teenager when they move to a better county.

http://tinyurl.com/nh34wb4

Study source:

http://www.equality-of-opportunity.org/

[warwickland]

Yeah, generally steady over the long term with a small hiccup after the downturn, but KC is not keeping up with Columbus or Indy. They are maybe benefiting from most of Great Lakes declining (in net migration). Is also curious that most top 40 winter city metros that have state capital are relatively stronger growth of winter cities. Large universities help too.

Columbus and Indy are close enough to the rustbelt that they get that exodus AND close enough to visit family back up there on weekends or whatever, which is hugely appealing. KC is isolated from the core of the midwest whereas Indy is pretty much in the center, even though KC is a superior city. Hell, people around the Great Lakes think that St. Louis is some kind of distant outpost beyond the edge of the midwest.

[earthling]

Agree with Columbus/Indy comment, but STL domestic migration not looking good this decade compared to previous, worse than Cleveland recently - which has been somewhat improving losses. STL domestic outmigration is rather high and not enough international inmigration to offset like other metros that have domestic loss. Like rust belt, STL metro growth is barely there due to birthrate. KC struggling to recover too, but at least back to positive domestic inmigration after a couple bad years.

STL migration..
http://recenter.tamu.edu/data/pop/popm/cbsa41180.asp

KC migration..
http://recenter.tamu.edu/data/pop/popm/cbsa28140.asp

STL labor force/employment also stagnant...
http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LAUMT294 ... ol=XGtable

Compared to KC labor force growth (recently adjusted by BLS)...
http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LAUMT292 ... ol=XGtable

KC has high number of job openings for its size, so that isn't the issue - STL has plenty too. With backwards state level politics and Ferguson reputation not helping, both KC and STL may struggle to keep up with US avg for a while. For now KC showing around US avg for job growth but is just recovering from being below avg last year.

[warwickland]

Agree with Columbus/Indy comment, but STL domestic migration not looking good this decade compared to previous, worse than Cleveland recently - which has been somewhat improving losses. STL domestic outmigration is rather high and not enough international inmigration to offset like other metros that have domestic loss. Like rust belt, STL metro growth is barely there due to birthrate. KC struggling to recover too, but at least back to positive domestic inmigration after a couple bad years.

STL migration..
http://recenter.tamu.edu/data/pop/popm/cbsa41180.asp

KC migration..
http://recenter.tamu.edu/data/pop/popm/cbsa28140.asp

STL labor force/employment also stagnant...
http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LAUMT294 ... ol=XGtable

Compared to KC labor force growth (recently adjusted by BLS)...
http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LAUMT292 ... ol=XGtable

KC has high number of job openings for its size, so that isn't the issue - STL has plenty too. With backwards state level politics and Ferguson reputation not helping, both KC and STL may struggle to keep up with US avg for a while. For now KC showing around US avg for job growth but is just recovering from being below avg last year.

St. Louis and Cleveland have almost exactly the same domestic outmigration, -7,798 vs -7,748 but St. Louis is 2.8 million vs Cleveland at 2.0 million.

With all due respect, I deleted my comment almost immediately because I recognize that this is a discussion and board about KC, not a hey look, at least we are in better shape than STL thread.

[warwickland]

I will add a viewpoint from this side of the state, we (St. Louis) now appears to be competing more with Nashville than ever before. Check those freakin nashvegas stats out...

Like, EVERYONE goes to Nashville for bachelerettes over here now. Ugh.

[earthling]

Ranking threads are specifically about comparisons. The original point was that KC is not doing as well as Indy/Columbus in growth lately but is doing better than STL - and STL outmigration this decade so far is worse than last decade. Cleveland's outmigration this decade is better than last decade - was comparing the pattern, not necessarily numbers.

[chingon]

Hell, people around the Great Lakes think that St. Louis is some kind of distant outpost beyond the edge of the midwest.

That's because they simultaneously do not understand what the midwest actually is/means, and yet feel the midwesterner's self-loathing compulsion to distance themselves from it.

[chingon]

I will add a viewpoint from this side of the state, we (St. Louis) now appears to be competing more with Nashville than ever before. Check those freakin nashvegas stats out...

Like, EVERYONE goes to Nashville for bachelerettes over here now. Ugh.

Nashville is the Austin of this generation, and it is every bit as lame as Austin was in mine. It doesn't bother me at all to get passed over by that particular plague.

[earthling]

As mentioned, metros getting more in-migration have of course warmer weather winters and/or are curiously Capital cities in their states (large universities help too) - Indy, Columbus, Nashville, Austin, Denver, MSP. Hmmm....