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Re: 4711 Belleview
Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2022 8:51 am
by GRID
Nice dense infill project. And it looks good too. So this is a go?
Re: 4711 Belleview
Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2022 9:11 am
by normalthings
I mean it has Planning and then council
Re: 4711 Belleview
Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2022 11:21 am
by moderne
Seems a little neo-brutalist .
Re: 4711 Belleview
Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2022 4:26 pm
by Chris Stritzel
moderne wrote: ↑Fri Jul 22, 2022 11:21 am
Seems a little neo-brutalist .
I can see that a little bit.
Re: 4711 Belleview
Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2022 10:01 am
by Highlander
So at 11 floors (I count a max of 11 floors) would this be an all wood building? I agree with the brutalist sentiment. Not a particularly attractive building.
Re: 4711 Belleview
Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2022 10:29 am
by normalthings
Highlander wrote: ↑Mon Jul 25, 2022 10:01 am
So at 11 floors (I count a max of 11 floors) would this be an all wood building? I agree with the brutalist sentiment. Not a particularly attractive building.
No. You can’t with wood frame
Re: 4711 Belleview
Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2022 10:32 am
by KCPowercat
I've beat the drum for a CVS/convenience store on the Plaza for decades. This would be a little far away but at least serve the west plaza neighborhood.
Re: 4711 Belleview
Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2022 1:20 pm
by Highlander
What corner of 47th and Belleview would this building occupy? I plug in the address and 4711 is a small block (NE corner) already occupied with a relatively new building and the Accurso law firm building.
Re: 4711 Belleview
Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2022 1:42 pm
by moderne
No corner. Almost the entire east side from just south of 47th to 48th.
Re: 4711 Belleview
Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2022 4:07 pm
by shinatoo
I wouldn't even consider that to be on the "Plaza". Near the "plaza", yes. Shouldn't be part of the Bowl restrictions.
Re: 4711 Belleview
Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2022 5:02 pm
by dukuboy1
moderne wrote: ↑Mon Jul 25, 2022 1:42 pm
No corner. Almost the entire east side from just south of 47th to 48th.
so Are they taking out the Barnes Law Firm Building? I remember it used to be kind of a swanky night club with dinning and small bar upstairs and pretty cool lounge/club in the lower level. ALso if memory serves me right this was the spot that finally got Larry Johnson in trouble that sparked the end of his career in KC.
Re: 4711 Belleview
Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2022 6:15 pm
by Chris Stritzel
shinatoo wrote: ↑Mon Jul 25, 2022 4:07 pm
I wouldn't even consider that to be on the "Plaza". Near the "plaza", yes. Shouldn't be part of the Bowl restrictions.
Shows how overreaching the Bowl restrictions are. People would have a stroke if a particular concept building, that I've seen, was proposed across from that 47Madison project (or as I like to call it, the butterfly).
Re: 4711 Belleview
Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2022 10:54 pm
by normalthings
Plan Com. tomorrow: Staff Recommendation: APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS
Re: 4711 Belleview
Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2022 11:11 am
by GRID
I don't understand why this location has a height issue. This development is literally surrounded by 10-12 story buildings and it's on the edge of the plaza "bowl" where tall buildings are supposed to be. Plus it borders a high speed road to the west. 12-15 stories here should not have second thoughts. I can see a 25 plus story building looking out of place but seriously.
Re: 4711 Belleview
Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2022 1:12 pm
by kcjak
I just moved out of the Volker neighborhood but still on their Facebook page. I saw a post from the West Plaza neighborhood association on the Volker page informing ANYONE to show up at the presentation by the developers to the West Plaza association and the only comments from both associations was that 4711 Belleview was a monstrosity and why couldn't the developers follow the height rules?
Sure, most people who comment on those things are not there to say how happy they are with the development, but goes to show the mentality behind some of the thinking. They probably were hoping to tap into some of the animosity shown by Volker residents against the Jamestown development and needed some vocal support against the Belleview building lol
Re: 4711 Belleview
Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2022 5:31 pm
by FangKC
Historic, neighborhood groups back Plaza project after Lane4 cuts back height
Lane4 Property Group has earned stakeholder support — or at least non-opposition — in its bid to build an 11- to 12-story mixed-use development near the Country Club Plaza, exceeding the area's height guidelines for new buildings.
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But following meetings with Historic Kansas City and neighbors, Lane4 reduced its unit count to 320 apartments, bringing down the building's height. Its proposal ranges between 134.5 and 159 feet tall, or 4.5 to 29 feet above the area plan guidelines, because of the site's 36-foot grade change from north to south.
Those adjustments brought the project into an acceptable height range, while also meeting other goals of the Midtown/Plaza Area Plan, such as encouragement of onsite parking and creation of new public space,
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The city also received letters of conditional support for Lane4's development from the West and South Plaza neighborhood associations.
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Officials noted that the City Council could condition its approval on one request from Historic Kansas City: that the council, rather than the commission or planning staff, have the last say on a future final plan or any amendments, including to the building's height.
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https://www.bizjournals.com/kansascity/ ... 2022-08-03
Re: 4711 Belleview
Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2022 5:36 pm
by AlkaliAxel
Sounds like everything is good to go?
Re: 4711 Belleview
Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2022 9:20 am
by earthling
Many of the complaints from Plaza residents (especially from the condo buildings)... too much density. Many don't want *any* more residents added as it adds to car traffic and street parking taken away. The change that needs to happen is a shift from car oriented residents to pedestrian oriented residents. Many who move into the condos come from car dependent mindset.
Re: 4711 Belleview
Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2022 10:00 am
by normalthings
earthling wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 9:20 am
Many of the complaints from Plaza residents (especially from the condo buildings)... too much density. Many don't want *any* more residents added as it adds to car traffic and street parking taken away. The change that needs to happen is a shift from car oriented residents to pedestrian oriented residents. Many who move into the condos come from car dependent mindset.
Adding more residents will reduce traffic as density begins to support walkable services and amenities
Re: 4711 Belleview
Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2022 10:39 am
by earthling
Agree but many still drive from their condo to Plaza and surrounding area. The mentality of the residents is what needs to change. Hopefully when streetcar extension completes the Plaza starts to attract fewer car minded residents and creates a shift over time. For Midtown too.