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It is nice to have more insight into the story. It appears everyone was in an agitated state at the hospital. It would be nice to hear more from the other side, in more detail than the statement. As my wife is a nurse she has told stories of family members reacting in a negative way when given instructions.

Circling back to gay marriage- would the hospital have been able to do what it did if this was a married, straight couple? My impression is that the spouse has priority over the family (and in this situation the family might have been asked to leave instead), but I don't know if that's accurate.

Circling back to gay marriage- would the hospital have been able to do what it did if this was a married, straight couple?

In short, yes. From what I can tell the nurse was trying to take care of a patient. If someone is interfering with that and not following instructions the nurse or doctor has the right to eject that someone from the room and ask for security if there is a refusal.

Wish I was a reporter. There is so much in this story that needs a follow up.

1. Why were the police ad paramedics at the house in the first place?
2. Did the nurse ask anyone else to leave the room?
3. How did the others in the room behave?
4. What kind of care is the patient receiving at the time of initial occurrence?

There are a few more issues but the above seem to be the major ones. The hospital and staff are limited in what they can say on the incident for now so all that can be said for them is the general statement released so far.

One thing to remember the nurse is there to treat the patient, not to be a mediator for a warring family. Yes, a spouse, gay or straight, has a right to be by a patient's side but the care of the patient overrides that right if it interferes with patient care.

A little off topic.. interesting finding about birds thought to be monogamous...

http://news.yahoo.com/dna-shows-birds-p ... -tech.html

About 30%-50% of birds have partners either for life or for a season or three, but many are still promiscuous. Only about 2% of mammals are monogamous and humans definitely are not one of them. Do we force ourselves into something unnatural?

earthling wrote:Do we force ourselves into something unnatural?

For the tax deductions.

Rhode Island approved gay marriage last week. Today the Delaware Senate will likely approve it, and the Governor has already says he will sign it into law. The Minnesota House has scheduled a floor debate on legalizing gay marriage, which means they should have the votes for passage, and the Governor and Senate are likely to approve as well. Minnesota just recently passed a gay marriage ban, so this is quite a turnaround.

It may come up for a vote soon in Illinois as well.

Minnesota becomes 12th state to approve same-sex marriage.

http://www.startribune.com/politics/sta ... 31321.html

George Takei FTW

http://www.uproxx.com/tv/2013/05/george ... elightful/

Interesting take on the gay marriage SC case to be decided and how it may hinge on gender discrimination, not sexual orientation discrimination.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_ ... nning.html

SCOTUS strikes down the federal Defense of Marriage Act, which bans states from recognizing other states' gay marriages, as well as the federal government from recognizing gay marriage, as unconstitutional.

EDIT: The analysis I have read says it is still unclear whether states would have to recognize other states gay marriages. For example, a legally married gay couple from California moving to KS may not necessarily have their marriage recognized by KS. They would still be eligible for federal benefits, but since many of those benefits are administered by the states, I suspect we may have some more litigation if the states balk at recognizing legally sanctioned gay marriages from other states.

Court dismisses the suit for Prop 8, which banned gay marriage in California, because the plaintiffs supporting Prop 8 did not have standing for the SC, leaving the California SC decision striking down Prop 8 to stand.

Kansas Congressman working on a Constitutional Amendment bill to ban same sex marriage.

http://www.kansascity.com/2013/07/30/43 ... ining.html

Most Republicans, to their credit, haven't signed on yet, including local Reps. Yoder and Jenkins.

KCMax wrote:Kansas Congressman working on a Constitutional Amendment bill to ban same sex marriage.

http://www.kansascity.com/2013/07/30/43 ... ining.html

Most Republicans, to their credit, haven't signed on yet, including local Reps. Yoder and Jenkins.

There's something dead in the water.

chaglang wrote:

KCMax wrote:Kansas Congressman working on a Constitutional Amendment bill to ban same sex marriage.

http://www.kansascity.com/2013/07/30/43 ... ining.html

Most Republicans, to their credit, haven't signed on yet, including local Reps. Yoder and Jenkins.

There's something dead in the water.

And nobody can reach it, even with a 10 foot pole.

Any possibilities of repealing the 2004 law in Missouri defining marriage between one man, one woman? Would love to sign a petition if one comes around

Not with the current legislature, unless somebody initiates a court action would be my guess. There *might* be an absolute majority of Missouri residents that would support legalizing marriage in the state, but we can look at the legislature and see how much difference that makes.

With NJ legalizing gay marriage, 1/3 of the US population can now get legally married to a partner from the same sex.

And Kansas takes 2 steps backwards...

http://www.kmbc.com/news/kansas-city/lo ... 2B9%2Bnews

AllThingsKC wrote:And Kansas takes 2 steps backwards...

That's so misleading it could be a TKC headline.

AllThingsKC wrote:And Kansas takes 2 steps backwards...

http://www.kmbc.com/news/kansas-city/lo ... 2B9%2Bnews

Overland Park, KS:

"Thank you for your service, it was excellent. That being said, we cannot in good conscience tip you, for your homosexual lifestyle is an affront to GOD. (Homosexual slur) do not share in the wealth of GOD, and you will not share in ours," the customer wrote. "We hope you will see the tip your (homosexual slur) choices made you lose out on, and plan accordingly. It is never too late for GOD's love, but none shall be spared for (homosexual slur). May GOD have mercy on you."