Re: COVID19
Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:58 pm
Kansas Mask required starting on Friday.
https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/lo ... _azcentral...
Indeed, the order followed another weekend full of packed bars, clubs and pools — despite the state experiencing one of the worst COVID-19 spikes in the country. Arizona has confirmed more than 74,000 cases, with 3,000-plus new cases reported on five of the past seven days.
The directive appears to close a previous loophole that allowed bars and clubs with food service to open earlier than White House guidelines recommended.
"I think we saw the photos and videos of some of the things that were happening around our state this weekend, and the result of that (type of activity) has been an increase in the spread," Ducey said. "With this targeted approach, we know that we can pump the brakes."
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See post above.DColeKC wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 1:14 pm At what point do we encourage the older folks and high risk folks to stay at home and make sure we have the financial resources for them available, not the perfectly health 20 year olds that can go back to work? I understand the argument is "senior citizens shouldn't be second class citizens" but something is going to have to give for us to get through this.
I know several people who fought in, and lived during, World War II that are still living, not in nursing homes, and trapped in their houses. I know even more from the Silent Generation that are still very active seniors.TheSmokinPun wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 8:08 pm The Greatest Generation are all but gone, & so is the Lost Generation. I see just as many boomers out as young people. They just love blaming millennials for everything, even though the youngest are pretty much above 25 now.
Yes my parents are still alive and active... I would rather not have their lives shortened by Trump or the Russians or whoever is running the country right now.FangKC wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 8:27 pmI know several people who fought in, and lived during, World War II that are still living, not in nursing homes, and trapped in their houses. I know even more from the Silent Generation that are still very active seniors.TheSmokinPun wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 8:08 pm The Greatest Generation are all but gone, & so is the Lost Generation. I see just as many boomers out as young people. They just love blaming millennials for everything, even though the youngest are pretty much above 25 now.
But it's not just those people. It's anyone who has underlying health problems that is younger, poorer, and are forced to go to work. They can't work from home. One of the reasons that COVID is hitting Blacks and Latinos especially hard is because they are more often in "essential jobs" and can't work from home.
While what I've seen out at bars is a very mixed age group, it does skew younger. I just don't understand why the entire population must stay home to protect a smaller percentage of the population. Why are we not passing stimulus packages so those who need to stay home can be financially ok? I'm not defending young people's right to go out and have fun, but I am defending the hospitality industries right to not go out of business. I know we are printing money we don't have currently as a country but that's not sustainable. I'm also all for masks, but shutting down the economy or forcing people to stay home is an unrealistic approach for this country. Perhaps the CDC and everyone else should have jumped on the mask game from the start. Including the Trump administration.FangKC wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:57 pmSee post above.DColeKC wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 1:14 pm At what point do we encourage the older folks and high risk folks to stay at home and make sure we have the financial resources for them available, not the perfectly health 20 year olds that can go back to work? I understand the argument is "senior citizens shouldn't be second class citizens" but something is going to have to give for us to get through this.
The thing that is going to "have to give" is young people acting responsibly, which many aren't. Going to crowded bars during a pandemic is not acting responsibly.
It appears that those who are vulnerable and older who are going to be trapped at home for who knows how long because young people cannot sacrifice for the common good. In many cases, the ones being threatened are the so-called "Greatest Generation," who sacrificed greatly for this this country and now the young generation can't simply just stay at home, wear masks, or social distance until this blows over.
It is maddening to me to watch these scenes on social media and TV.
The economy could likely reopen faster and operate if moronic people would just wear masks.
Every time I see someone on TV not wearing a mask I immediately think they are a moron. I don't think they are freedom-loving, patriots--just MORONS. If that applies to anyone on this board, please be notified you are a MORON. Someone needs to tell you.
Freedom-loving, patriots are people who risked their lives for our country, and are wearing masks to protect others.
I sense sarcasm. Can you name a pandemic that's actually comparable to this one? There's dozens of articles on why it's unlike any other in recent history. We also can't compare this country to most other countries, even though some people are obsessed with that idea.
Because apparently AMERICANS can't be inconvenienced at all, not even to save their economy or the lives and health of their fellow AMERICANS.
It's just always the goto example.... Finland did it, S.Korea did this, Norway did that... why can't we?! I guess I shouldn't say we can't, but it's very hard to compare this country to others under most situations. I would love to hear what some you all would do had you been the POTUS when this all started? Not saying his response was good because it was terrible, but what realistic options were available and could have been implemented?
I hate that now even when people know he is rubbish, they have decided that hypothetically no one in their mind would have done a better job, even though clearly anyone else with the same information as the president would’ve just listened to the expertsmykn wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 2:14 pm > Not saying his response was good because it was terrible, but what realistic options were available and could have been implemented?
I mean,... taking it seriously in the many months the government had to get things ready before it hit the US, stockpiled PPE, used authorization to manufacture PPE, push for a better stimulus so people didn’t have to choose between going broke staying home or getting sick going to work, trump could have just work a damn mask to set an example, not suggested dangerous treatments, listened to experts...
I'm for sure not saying that, not sure how I can be anymore clear that I believe Trumps response in addition to all of governments response was 100% hot garbage. I think they can all share the blame evenly because most were obsessed with impeachment during the most crucial time to get ahead of this virus.Riverite wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 2:18 pmI hate that now even when people know he is rubbish, they have decided that hypothetically no one in their mind would have done a better job, even though clearly anyone else with the same information as the president would’ve just listened to the expertsmykn wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 2:14 pm > Not saying his response was good because it was terrible, but what realistic options were available and could have been implemented?
I mean,... taking it seriously in the many months the government had to get things ready before it hit the US, stockpiled PPE, used authorization to manufacture PPE, push for a better stimulus so people didn’t have to choose between going broke staying home or getting sick going to work, trump could have just work a damn mask to set an example, not suggested dangerous treatments, listened to experts...
https://www.cato.org/blog/should-we-bla ... 9-responseShould We Blame Impeachment for the Botched COVID-19 Response?
The restrictions on travel from China, Trump’s boldest early move to stop the spread, came during the impeachment trial, about a week before acquittal. Porous though the limits were, they likely bought the U.S. valuable time to prepare.
How did the president spend that time? Ignoring warnings by his own staff, trying to jawbone the stock market, and—for a full month after impeachment was over—banging on about how COVID-19 was basically the flu.
What was it that was supposed to be stealing Trump’s “focus” from February to mid‐March? Post‐impeachment trauma?
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/3 ... ncy-155058TheLastGentleman wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 2:42 pmhttps://www.cato.org/blog/should-we-bla ... 9-responseShould We Blame Impeachment for the Botched COVID-19 Response?
The restrictions on travel from China, Trump’s boldest early move to stop the spread, came during the impeachment trial, about a week before acquittal. Porous though the limits were, they likely bought the U.S. valuable time to prepare.
How did the president spend that time? Ignoring warnings by his own staff, trying to jawbone the stock market, and—for a full month after impeachment was over—banging on about how COVID-19 was basically the flu.
What was it that was supposed to be stealing Trump’s “focus” from February to mid‐March? Post‐impeachment trauma?
How could Trump have responded better? How about don't defund the CDC and the Pandemic Responce Force. Listen to the experts and follow their advice, on anything, ever.DColeKC wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 2:25 pmI'm for sure not saying that, not sure how I can be anymore clear that I believe Trumps response in addition to all of governments response was 100% hot garbage. I think they can all share the blame evenly because most were obsessed with impeachment during the most crucial time to get ahead of this virus.Riverite wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 2:18 pmI hate that now even when people know he is rubbish, they have decided that hypothetically no one in their mind would have done a better job, even though clearly anyone else with the same information as the president would’ve just listened to the expertsmykn wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 2:14 pm > Not saying his response was good because it was terrible, but what realistic options were available and could have been implemented?
I mean,... taking it seriously in the many months the government had to get things ready before it hit the US, stockpiled PPE, used authorization to manufacture PPE, push for a better stimulus so people didn’t have to choose between going broke staying home or getting sick going to work, trump could have just work a damn mask to set an example, not suggested dangerous treatments, listened to experts...