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WoodDraw wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2024 1:23 pm I think an underrated issue is how much Americans, especially suburban living Americans, enjoy surface parking over garages.

Back when Glass still owned the royals and we went through this, people would allow a picture of how far it would take you walk from the lots at Kauffman compared to downtown and that garages would be less walking.

This is my main concern for the EC. You have multiple land owners and it's easy to just sit on it and make more money than you ever have supplying parking.

So you think your average suburban baseball fan from KC would pull into a garage or pay for a surface lot?

We're still having problems with kci because people just want to pull up and park and no one will tell them no. Three car culture here is strong and I don't want it to overtake downtown because cordish is pissy about another district.

WoodDraw wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2024 1:23 pm I think an underrated issue is how much Americans, especially suburban living Americans, enjoy surface parking over garages.

Back when Glass still owned the royals and we went through this, people would show a picture of how far it would take you to walk from the lots at Kauffman compared to downtown and that garages would be less walking. No one cared.

This is my main concern for the EC. You have multiple land owners and it's easy to just sit on it and make more money than you ever have supplying parking.

So you think your average suburban baseball fan from KC would pull into a garage or pay for a surface lot?

We're still having problems with kci because people just want to pull up and park and no one will tell them no. The car culture here is strong and I don't want it to overtake downtown because cordish is pissy about another district.

Highlander wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2024 1:28 pm

WoodDraw wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2024 1:23 pm I think an underrated issue is how much Americans, especially suburban living Americans, enjoy surface parking over garages.

Back when Glass still owned the royals and we went through this, people would allow a picture of how far it would take you walk from the lots at Kauffman compared to downtown and that garages would be less walking.

This is my main concern for the EC. You have multiple land owners and it's easy to just sit on it and make more money than you ever have supplying parking.

So you think your average suburban baseball fan from KC would pull into a garage or pay for a surface lot?

We're still having problems with kci because people just want to pull up and park and no one will tell them no. Three car culture here is strong and I don't want it to overtake downtown because cordish is pissy about another district.

Doesn't just about every attendee at an event at the Tmobile Center park in a garage? I know when I go, I park in P&L garage and pay the event parking fee. When I go to the PAC, I park in the PAC garage. It's generally full on a busy night. I think more people are willing to park in garages than you think. Especially when it's obviously a public parking facility whereas many of the surface lots are far more ambiguous.

DColeKC wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2024 2:20 pm

Highlander wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2024 1:28 pm

WoodDraw wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2024 1:23 pm I think an underrated issue is how much Americans, especially suburban living Americans, enjoy surface parking over garages.

Back when Glass still owned the royals and we went through this, people would allow a picture of how far it would take you walk from the lots at Kauffman compared to downtown and that garages would be less walking.

This is my main concern for the EC. You have multiple land owners and it's easy to just sit on it and make more money than you ever have supplying parking.

So you think your average suburban baseball fan from KC would pull into a garage or pay for a surface lot?

We're still having problems with kci because people just want to pull up and park and no one will tell them no. Three car culture here is strong and I don't want it to overtake downtown because cordish is pissy about another district.

Doesn't just about every attendee at an event at the Tmobile Center park in a garage? I know when I go, I park in P&L garage and pay the event parking fee. When I go to the PAC, I park in the PAC garage. It's generally full on a busy night. I think more people are willing to park in garages than you think. Especially when it's obviously a public parking facility whereas many of the surface lots are far more ambiguous.

90% of the people who drive downtown to attend an event at T-Mobile park in one of the garages.

bspecht wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2024 5:16 pm MO FY2025 budget won't be final until early May, fwiw. MO also has $8B sitting around ($2B to be used in current FY2025 proposal).

GRID wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2024 1:37 pm

WoodDraw wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2024 1:23 pm I think an underrated issue is how much Americans, especially suburban living Americans, enjoy surface parking over garages.

Back when Glass still owned the royals and we went through this, people would show a picture of how far it would take you to walk from the lots at Kauffman compared to downtown and that garages would be less walking. No one cared.

This is my main concern for the EC. You have multiple land owners and it's easy to just sit on it and make more money than you ever have supplying parking.

So you think your average suburban baseball fan from KC would pull into a garage or pay for a surface lot?

We're still having problems with kci because people just want to pull up and park and no one will tell them no. The car culture here is strong and I don't want it to overtake downtown because cordish is pissy about another district.

I'm not sure about that. I mean around here there are just as many garages in the suburbs as surface parking in many areas. I have to park in a garage when I go to many big box stores etc. and prefer it over surface lots in most cases.

People want convenience, that's all. Now some garages are not designed for mass exits. So when I park in DC for games, concerts etc, I avoid some garages, but people learn where to park.

KCPowercat wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2024 7:05 pm

GRID wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2024 1:37 pm

WoodDraw wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2024 1:23 pm I think an underrated issue is how much Americans, especially suburban living Americans, enjoy surface parking over garages.

Back when Glass still owned the royals and we went through this, people would show a picture of how far it would take you to walk from the lots at Kauffman compared to downtown and that garages would be less walking. No one cared.

This is my main concern for the EC. You have multiple land owners and it's easy to just sit on it and make more money than you ever have supplying parking.

So you think your average suburban baseball fan from KC would pull into a garage or pay for a surface lot?

We're still having problems with kci because people just want to pull up and park and no one will tell them no. The car culture here is strong and I don't want it to overtake downtown because cordish is pissy about another district.

I'm not sure about that. I mean around here there are just as many garages in the suburbs as surface parking in many areas. I have to park in a garage when I go to many big box stores etc. and prefer it over surface lots in most cases.

People want convenience, that's all. Now some garages are not designed for mass exits. So when I park in DC for games, concerts etc, I avoid some garages, but people learn where to park.

I think that's the problem here. Garages aren't built for mass exit so people try and avoid them. I mean I don't drive and park for anything but that's what I've picked up from friends. They ask me where to park downtown and I have literally no idea. Guess we have to rely on our suburb friends to tell us how to design our parking as we move forward

DaveKCMO wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2024 5:19 pm I guess Resurrection just finished a big capital campaign for the downtown campus expansion and now intends to sell. How does that play for donors?

Resurrection – formerly Church of the Resurrection – announced Friday that the congregation will break ground Sunday for a $2.8 million expansion of its downtown location at 1601 Grand Boulevard.

DaveKCMO wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:49 am

DaveKCMO wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2024 5:19 pm I guess Resurrection just finished a big capital campaign for the downtown campus expansion and now intends to sell. How does that play for donors?

https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/a ... 41906.html

Resurrection – formerly Church of the Resurrection – announced Friday that the congregation will break ground Sunday for a $2.8 million expansion of its downtown location at 1601 Grand Boulevard.

KCPowercat wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:58 amHello EV!

WoodDraw wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 10:11 am For all of the bluster earlier about how they're reaching out to people, there seems very little evidence so far.

WoodDraw wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 10:17 am So it could you be you reaching out? Cordish? My great aunt?

So far every company has said they haven't heard anything other than the star owners and cordish, who are driving this.

The royals are going to try to eminent domain a block from resurrection and they haven't even reached out to them?

Everything just smells like bs and I don't think anyone here knows anything yet.