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Florida closing Business again.

According to ABC News:

WHO warns about a "new and dangerous" phase of the pandemic.

Hospitalizations are rising quickly in 17 states. Many in these states are not wearing masks or social distancing.

COVID-related hospitalizations up 108 percent in Texas since Memorial Day.

New daily record for infections in Florida -- mostly among younger people.

New York's fire department have recorded record numbers of heart attacks during the COVID outbreak, and believe a high number are a result of coronavirus infection. Most of those who died weren't tested for coronavirus so confirmation is unavailable. The measure behind their hypothesis is the seeming spike against the average number of heart attack calls in past months.

Be interesting to see whether Trump's stupid Tulsa rally causes a significant spike there in the coming days.

mean wrote: ↑Mon Jun 22, 2020 11:58 am Be interesting to see whether Trump's stupid Tulsa rally causes a significant spike there in the coming days.

I’m not sure if enough people went

https://www.kshb.com/news/coronavirus/m ... nd-of-2020

In a best-case scenario, the economy will return to normal in September 2021, in the worst case he says it will return to normal close to September 2024. Either scenario, Lenk pointed out, is better than the six or seven years it took the United States to recover from the Great Recession.

According to ABC News:

In Texas, Gov. Abbott says the rate of increase in COVID cases is "unacceptable." Abbott urges everyone wear masks. Texas has increasing record hospitalizations 10 days in a row. The Houston mayor says "we are moving too fast in the wrong direction."

A dozen states reporting record new numbers of cases. Cases continue to increase in 23 states and PR.

WHO reports a record daily increase in cases worldwide.

Miami's mayor makes masks mandatory. Florida has over 100,000 cases now. Worries it is the new epicenter of the outbreak.

Two more members of Trump's staff have tested positive after the Tulsa rally--now numbering 8 infections when the advance team is included.

TheLastGentleman wrote: ↑Mon Jun 22, 2020 12:00 pm

mean wrote: ↑Mon Jun 22, 2020 11:58 am Be interesting to see whether Trump's stupid Tulsa rally causes a significant spike there in the coming days.

I’m not sure if enough people went

It was the worst of all worlds for Trump, he looked bad taking the chance to increase the spread CV19 among one of his staunchest states and he looked bad because of the poor turnout. Not to mention his fascist threats before the event to violently handle any protesters. Now his people are doing damage control about his "slowing testing down" quip. His hardcore fans won't blink an eye but Tulsa was still a pretty dismal affair for his re-election committee.

TheLastGentleman wrote: ↑Mon Jun 22, 2020 12:00 pm

mean wrote: ↑Mon Jun 22, 2020 11:58 am Be interesting to see whether Trump's stupid Tulsa rally causes a significant spike there in the coming days.

I’m not sure if enough people went

I dunno, six thousand odd people, most of them crammed together in the lower seats for the sake of photos, who don't believe in the virus in the first place and won't wear masks, seems like a lot of potential spreaders. Two Trump staffers who were there have already tested positive. We'll see...

Until the middle of March there were sporting events all over the country every night of the week with more attendance than Trump's rally. Odds are that some transmission took place, but it seems unlikely that it would be enough to stand out in the statistics.

Highlander wrote: ↑Mon Jun 22, 2020 6:17 pm

TheLastGentleman wrote: ↑Mon Jun 22, 2020 12:00 pm

mean wrote: ↑Mon Jun 22, 2020 11:58 am Be interesting to see whether Trump's stupid Tulsa rally causes a significant spike there in the coming days.

I’m not sure if enough people went

It was the worst of all worlds for Trump, he looked bad taking the chance to increase the spread CV19 among one of his staunchest states and he looked bad because of the poor turnout. Not to mention his fascist threats before the event to violently handle any protesters. Now his people are doing damage control about his "slowing testing down" quip. His hardcore fans won't blink an eye but Tulsa was still a pretty dismal affair for his re-election committee.

I think it's hilarious that kids on TikTok wrecked the rally but it's not like it was a significant blow to Trump or his campaign. We all know, just like sports it's really all about the TV ratings and online viewership. He still had at minimum 12 million people watch the rally. That's where you pick up the votes, who cares about the thousands of fanatical fans that show up in person. We all know how they're voting.

The online viewer number is hardly representative though, I streamed a good chunk of it just out of curiosity. Mostly, I think, just to see what absolutely batshit nonsense would spew out of the guy. On that front he delivered the goods. But I'd never vote for the guy. I'm embarrassed to have even been slightly on the fence early in the 2016 cycle, before I watched him say insane and demonstrably false shit nonstop.

I agree of course that the number of people who show up at a campaign rally in the middle of a pandemic is equally non-representative of anything, but it is enormously satisfying to know how bad it must have hurt his feeling. The only one he has. His galaxy-sized ego.

According to ABC News:

Dr. Fauci says there is a "disturbing surge" in cases. Fauci says Trump didn't tell him to slow down testing. Fauci says Americans should not congregate in crowds, and if they do, wear a mask.

Texas has seen 5,000 new cases in one day. Florida, 3,000. Gov. Abbott advised Texans to stay-at-home.

Myrtle Beach, South Carolina, has seen a surge Seventeen high school students tested positive after a visit there.

Dr Jen Ashton of ABC News says there is a prolonged lag time between exposure to virus and illness, and warm weather does not seem to be slowing the virus.

The top-rated male tennis player Novak Djokovic has tested positive for COVID.

DColeKC wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 4:43 pm

Highlander wrote: ↑Mon Jun 22, 2020 6:17 pm

TheLastGentleman wrote: ↑Mon Jun 22, 2020 12:00 pm

I’m not sure if enough people went

It was the worst of all worlds for Trump, he looked bad taking the chance to increase the spread CV19 among one of his staunchest states and he looked bad because of the poor turnout. Not to mention his fascist threats before the event to violently handle any protesters. Now his people are doing damage control about his "slowing testing down" quip. His hardcore fans won't blink an eye but Tulsa was still a pretty dismal affair for his re-election committee.

I think it's hilarious that kids on TikTok wrecked the rally but it's not like it was a significant blow to Trump or his campaign. We all know, just like sports it's really all about the TV ratings and online viewership. He still had at minimum 12 million people watch the rally. That's where you pick up the votes, who cares about the thousands of fanatical fans that show up in person. We all know how they're voting.

I'd guess that he lost votes on that sorry spectacle. No one wants to be associated with a loser, but they do want to watch him squirm.

grovester wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 6:50 pm

DColeKC wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 4:43 pm

Highlander wrote: ↑Mon Jun 22, 2020 6:17 pm

It was the worst of all worlds for Trump, he looked bad taking the chance to increase the spread CV19 among one of his staunchest states and he looked bad because of the poor turnout. Not to mention his fascist threats before the event to violently handle any protesters. Now his people are doing damage control about his "slowing testing down" quip. His hardcore fans won't blink an eye but Tulsa was still a pretty dismal affair for his re-election committee.

I think it's hilarious that kids on TikTok wrecked the rally but it's not like it was a significant blow to Trump or his campaign. We all know, just like sports it's really all about the TV ratings and online viewership. He still had at minimum 12 million people watch the rally. That's where you pick up the votes, who cares about the thousands of fanatical fans that show up in person. We all know how they're voting.

I'd guess that he lost votes on that sorry spectacle. No one wants to be associated with a loser, but they do want to watch him squirm.

I think it didn’t hurt him much. I have this feeling a very large number of people have already decided to vote for him. Those who are not obvious fans of his. Many of these people are ashamed because the name calling and rhetoric towards those who support him has gotten so far out of hand. Millions will vote for him and say they didn’t. Classic two party bullshit! I feel horribly uncomfortable with him or Biden leading this country.

DColeKC wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 7:14 pm

grovester wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 6:50 pm

DColeKC wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 4:43 pm

I think it's hilarious that kids on TikTok wrecked the rally but it's not like it was a significant blow to Trump or his campaign. We all know, just like sports it's really all about the TV ratings and online viewership. He still had at minimum 12 million people watch the rally. That's where you pick up the votes, who cares about the thousands of fanatical fans that show up in person. We all know how they're voting.

I'd guess that he lost votes on that sorry spectacle. No one wants to be associated with a loser, but they do want to watch him squirm.

I think it didn’t hurt him much. I have this feeling a very large number of people have already decided to vote for him. Those who are not obvious fans of his. Many of these people are ashamed because the name calling and rhetoric towards those who support him has gotten so far out of hand. Millions will vote for him and say they didn’t. Classic two party bullshit! I feel horribly uncomfortable with him or Biden leading this country.

I don't like Biden all that much. But with Trump, I'm not sure the nation as we know it can survive another 4 years of him. While he tries to come off as a law and order president, he's not kidding everyone. He's an enormous threat to the rule of law in the US; he thinks law does not apply to him. He has threatened to imprison his political rivals, the press, and those ideologically opposed to him. His clearing of Lafayette Park revealed how little he ultimately cares about individual rights. He outwardly advocates for voter suppression. He fires anyone in his administration that disagrees and anyone (that he can) in the public service that investigates him or his allies making him among the most corrupt presidents ever. He wants to be King (aka dictator) which is everything his base is supposedly, but apparently is not, strongly opposed to.

I do agree that many will vote for him that may not be willing to admit it publicly but I'm hopeful that many have reached their limit on what they can take. I definitely did not support Clinton in 2016 and ended up not voting (I was moving on election day) thinking Trump might actually be ok given his lack of ideological passion for the contemporary republican platform but, as we have seen, he has fallen in step and even raised the ante.

DColeKC wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 7:14 pm

grovester wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 6:50 pm

DColeKC wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 4:43 pm

I think it's hilarious that kids on TikTok wrecked the rally but it's not like it was a significant blow to Trump or his campaign. We all know, just like sports it's really all about the TV ratings and online viewership. He still had at minimum 12 million people watch the rally. That's where you pick up the votes, who cares about the thousands of fanatical fans that show up in person. We all know how they're voting.

I'd guess that he lost votes on that sorry spectacle. No one wants to be associated with a loser, but they do want to watch him squirm.

I think it didn’t hurt him much. I have this feeling a very large number of people have already decided to vote for him. Those who are not obvious fans of his. Many of these people are ashamed because the name calling and rhetoric towards those who support him has gotten so far out of hand. Millions will vote for him and say they didn’t. Classic two party bullshit! I feel horribly uncomfortable with him or Biden leading this country.

I have a hard time believing that he has won more voters than 2016. The world has moved on.

The polls are eerily similar to 2016, so it looks to be another close one. I wonder if Trump does win again, if his massive ego would lead him to be more of a centrist? His ego wants him to go down in history as something special and once he doesn't need to placate to the right, I could see him doing some decent things. Than again, it has been such a turbulent 4 years I'm not sure I want to find out!

DColeKC wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 10:31 pm The polls are eerily similar to 2016, so it looks to be another close one. I wonder if Trump does win again, if his massive ego would lead him to be more of a centrist? His ego wants him to go down in history as something special and once he doesn't need to placate to the right, I could see him doing some decent things. Than again, it has been such a turbulent 4 years I'm not sure I want to find out!

I'm not going to predict victory for Biden. Probably 30% of the country has no breaking point for Trump, they will vote for him regardless of what he does. Biden means change and that 30% desperately want to hold onto the status quo. That said, there is one place Trump could suffer with that group, he's hinted at cutting Medicare and Social Security. That would turn off a portion of his supporters. As much as some Trumpers trash SS, they absolutely want their cut when they reach that age.

That demographic would be angry old people that scream “socialism” in one breath & then scream “keep your hands off my Medicare & SOCIAL Security”. If they really don’t want to participate in socialism they should refrain from using those programs along with using the police, firefighters, government-funded highways & streets, etc......Never ceases to amaze (and sadden) me how ill-informed many people are that vote against their own self-interests.
Too bad it’s not a requirement that everyone be exposed to a basic civics class at some point in their lives. Math and science requirements alone can’t prevent the social stupidity that’s evident on a daily basis. Case in point the late-night TV hosts that periodically do “on the streets” interviews with the general public and ask basic civics questions that we all should know.

Major KC Fan wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 11:46 am That demographic would be angry old people that scream “socialism” in one breath & then scream “keep your hands off my Medicare & SOCIAL Security”. If they really don’t want to participate in socialism they should refrain from using those programs along with using the police, firefighters, government-funded highways & streets, etc......Never ceases to amaze (and sadden) me how ill-informed many people are that vote against their own self-interests.
Too bad it’s not a requirement that everyone be exposed to a basic civics class at some point in their lives. Math and science requirements alone can’t prevent the social stupidity that’s evident on a daily basis. Case in point the late-night TV hosts that periodically do “on the streets” interviews with the general public and ask basic civics questions that we all should know.

Most people don't understand the difference between entitlement programs and socialist type programs. Social security and medicare are not socialism, so those old folks yelling they don't want socialism but don't want the programs they paid into, worked a certain time to receive and isn't contributed to by the government makes perfect sense. Also, collecting taxes to pay for public services like the police and fire department isn't remotely close to socialism either.