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Re: Interesting new ad campaign from KU
Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 9:06 am
by MoMan
You're citing two games at Arrowhead, in sunny August, during the brief Kansas State period of football relevance, one against a Big 10 football team that brought hordes of fans from neighboring Iowa, the other a sparsely attended match against a Pac 10 opponent. A decade ago. And you're comparing that to attendance at a game during Thanksgiving break at Arrowhead, on a miserably cold and rainy day, featuring a team that didn't bring enough fans to fill Blue Springs South's football stadium and another team that was a disappointing game over .500 but still filled more than its half of the seats at Arrowhead. That makes no sense at all, but if it soothes you and convinces you that kansas state has a higher profile in KC than Northwest Missouri State, go for it!
Support for K-State in KC always has been much weaker than for Mizzou and KU, and historically weaker than for Nebraska. With its small fan base and very low national profile, Kansas State could find itself battling for a spot in the Mountain West or Conference USA when the Big 12 implodes. If that happens, the school's standing as a sort of regional afterthought, a team that might draw some attention if it's having a good year and MU and KU are struggling, will be cemented.
Re: Interesting new ad campaign from KU
Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 9:31 am
by KCPowercat
Not comparing the games....you stated a promoter wouldn't look at Ksu for games citing the isu game. I gave you games against noncon opponents in bball and fball which showed Ksu fans filling arenas and stadiums.
Re: Interesting new ad campaign from KU
Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 10:07 am
by KC-wildcat
MoMan wrote:
attendance at a game during Thanksgiving break at Arrowhead, on a miserably cold and rainy day, featuring a team that didn't bring enough fans to fill Blue Springs South's football stadium and another team that was a disappointing game over .500 but still filled more than its half of the seats at Arrowhead.
The Border War - America's greatest rivalry (
if both teams are good and the weather is nice)
Re: Interesting new ad campaign from KU
Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 10:37 am
by MoMan
KCPowercat wrote:Not comparing the games....you stated a promoter wouldn't look at Ksu for games citing the isu game. I gave you games against noncon opponents in bball and fball which showed Ksu fans filling arenas and stadiums.
Mustering only 50K at Arrowhead on a beautiful August day at the height of Kansas State's football prominence is neither "filling a stadium" or proving your appeal to promoters. Less impressive than what Mizzou, Nebraska, Oklahoma, or Arkansas would have brought in a championship year. And certainly FAR less impressive than attracting a nearly equal number of fans to a meaningless end-of-season game, in a disappointing season, against a crappy opponent in crappy weather, on Thanksgiving weekend.
Re: Interesting new ad campaign from KU
Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 10:38 am
by MoMan
MoMan wrote:KCPowercat wrote:Not comparing the games....you stated a promoter wouldn't look at Ksu for games citing the isu game. I gave you games against noncon opponents in bball and fball which showed Ksu fans filling arenas and stadiums.
Mustering only 50K at Arrowhead on a beautiful August day at the height of Kansas State's football prominence is neither "filling a stadium" nor proving your appeal to promoters. Less impressive than what Mizzou, Nebraska, Oklahoma, or Arkansas would have brought in a championship year. And certainly FAR less impressive than attracting a nearly equal number of fans to a meaningless end-of-season game, in a disappointing season, against a crappy opponent in crappy weather, on Thanksgiving weekend.
Re: Interesting new ad campaign from KU
Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 10:39 am
by MoMan
KCPowercat wrote:Not comparing the games....you stated a promoter wouldn't look at Ksu for games citing the isu game. I gave you games against noncon opponents in bball and fball which showed Ksu fans filling arenas and stadiums.
Mustering only 50K at Arrowhead on a beautiful August day at the height of Kansas State's football prominence is neither "filling a stadium" nor proving your appeal to promoters. Less impressive than what Mizzou, Nebraska, Oklahoma, or Arkansas would have brought in a championship year. And certainly FAR less impressive than attracting a nearly equal number of fans to a meaningless end-of-season game, in a disappointing season, against a crappy opponent in crappy weather, on Thanksgiving weekend.
Re: Interesting new ad campaign from KU
Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:21 pm
by KCPowercat
So to clarify 40k mu fans at the biggest rivalry game shows great fan support.
50k Ksu fans at a noncon game vs. an average team show bad fan support.
Got it.
Re: Interesting new ad campaign from KU
Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:58 pm
by KC-wildcat
KCPowercat wrote:So to clarify 40k mu fans at the biggest rivalry game shows great fan support.
50k Ksu fans at a noncon game vs. an average team show bad fan support.
Got it.
I think what he's saying is that our fans suck because our team was good that year. But, Missouri fans are good because their team sucks this year. Or something like that?
Re: Interesting new ad campaign from KU
Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:28 pm
by MoMan
Not sure if you guys are really that slow, or if it's some kind of denial mechanism.
(1) Nebraska replaced Kansas long ago as Mizzou's biggest football rival. Not the most hated rival, but definitely the most interesting.
(2) 50K for a game at the beginning of a highly anticipated season in which you won the conference championship is objectively NOT better than 47K for a game at the end of a bitterly disappointing middle-of-the-pack conference season in the rain and cold. On Thanksgiving weekend. Against a team so horrible that only a few thousand of its fans bothered to show up.
KC-wildcat wrote:I think what he's saying is that our fans suck because our team was good that year. But, Missouri fans are good because their team sucks this year. Or something like that?
Yeah, pretty much.
Re: Interesting new ad campaign from KU
Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:38 pm
by KCMax
MoMan wrote:Not sure if you guys are really that slow, or if it's some kind of denial mechanism.
(1) Nebraska replaced Kansas long ago as Mizzou's biggest football rival. Not the most hated rival, but definitely the most interesting..
I'd be interested in hearing a single Cornhusker fan that agrees with that.
Re: Interesting new ad campaign from KU
Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:47 pm
by KC-wildcat
MoMan wrote:
Nebraska replaced Kansas long ago as Mizzou's biggest football rival.
When? 2003?
When Missouri beat Nebraska for the 1st time since 1978 - ending a 25 year era of absolute demorilization? That's quite the "interesting" rivalry.
I'd love to hear Nebraska's side of the story.
Re: Interesting new ad campaign from KU
Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:57 pm
by KC-wildcat
MoMan wrote:
KC-wildcat wrote:I think what he's saying is that our fans suck because our team was good that year. But, Missouri fans are good because their team sucks this year. Or something like that?
Yeah, pretty much.
Understood. And since Missouri Basketball is embarking on a Championship caliber season (according to MU fans), you'd assume that these great Tiger fans would be flocking to Paige in droves.
Yet, on 11/21, MU's announced attendance was **wait for it**
5,037. Paige was literally 66% empty. or was that because of the rain, cold, and looming Holiday weekend?
All of those great fans just, what, stayed home?
Re: Interesting new ad campaign from KU
Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 2:04 pm
by KCPowercat
All the great fans are in KC.....evidenced by the cbe classic showing.
Re: Interesting new ad campaign from KU
Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 2:10 pm
by kcmetro
MoMan wrote:Not sure if you guys are really that slow, or if it's some kind of denial mechanism.
(1) Nebraska replaced Kansas long ago as Mizzou's biggest football rival. Not the most hated rival, but definitely the most interesting
Re: Interesting new ad campaign from KU
Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 2:15 pm
by AllThingsKC
Wait. I thought you guys were worried about KC's economy. But, now you're also worried about Columbia's? Ok. (Obsession is a powerful thing).
Mizzou played 3 games in KC last week. 68K fans saw an MU event in KC last week. I'd love to see KU or KSU get close that those numbers in KC.
Of course, since you guys are so worried about CoMo's economy now (because of your obsession with MU), perhaps the real question is how will Columbia survive without all the KU and KSU coming to support Columbia's economy?
And, if anyone responds to my post, they are clearly obsessed with me.
Re: Interesting new ad campaign from KU
Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 3:07 pm
by TheBigChuckbowski
AllThingsKC wrote:
Mizzou played 3 games in KC last week. 68K fans saw an MU event in KC last week. I'd love to see KU or KSU get close that those numbers in KC.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/scores10 ... 239518.htm
Re: Interesting new ad campaign from KU
Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 3:09 pm
by TheBigChuckbowski
K-State fans, do you guys remember if it was the Cal or Iowa game that was 110 degrees? Since MoMan is trying to act like August weather is beatiful, I thought it would be a relevant talking point. I can't remember which one it was, though.
Re: Interesting new ad campaign from KU
Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 3:10 pm
by KCPowercat
Iowa.
Cal game was disappointing crowd imo. Using moman guideline though it was a spectacular crowd given cal brought 5 fans.
Re: Interesting new ad campaign from KU
Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 3:13 pm
by mean
Using school affiliation as some form of self-validation is among the saddest things I've ever seen.
Re: Interesting new ad campaign from KU
Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 3:16 pm
by TheBigChuckbowski
MoMan wrote:
You're citing two games at Arrowhead, in sunny August, during the brief Kansas State period of football relevance, one against a Big 10 football team that brought hordes of fans from neighboring Iowa, the other a sparsely attended match against a Pac 10 opponent. A decade ago. And you're comparing that to attendance at a game during Thanksgiving break at Arrowhead, on a miserably cold and rainy day, featuring a team that didn't bring enough fans to fill Blue Springs South's football stadium and another team that was a disappointing game over .500 but still filled more than its half of the seats at Arrowhead. That makes no sense at all, but if it soothes you and convinces you that kansas state has a higher profile in KC than Northwest Missouri State, go for it!
Let's just note the language here.
"sunny" actually equals over 100 degrees.
"sparsely" actually equals 3,000 more fans (with less fans of the opposition attending)
"during Thanksgiving break" actually equals the best time to have a game off campus
"a Big 10 football team" + "a Pac 10 opponent" not named Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State or USC actually are not bigger draws than the probable final game of the second longest rivalry in college sports.
But, whatever makes you feel better.