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KCPowercat wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 11:48 am If we spent one additional dollar on glass jetways when we are in the middle of building a cheap ass building I will not be happy.

beautyfromashes wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 12:07 pm

KCPowercat wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 11:48 am If we spent one additional dollar on glass jetways when we are in the middle of building a cheap ass building I will not be happy.

Really? You don't think this adds to the user experience?

KCPowercat wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 12:15 pm

beautyfromashes wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 12:07 pm

KCPowercat wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 11:48 am If we spent one additional dollar on glass jetways when we are in the middle of building a cheap ass building I will not be happy.

Really? You don't think this adds to the user experience?

For sure. I love them. Do I think it's where we should spend upgrade money? No way.

normalthings wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 12:19 pm

KCPowercat wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 12:15 pm

beautyfromashes wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 12:07 pm
Really? You don't think this adds to the user experience?

For sure. I love them. Do I think it's where we should spend upgrade money? No way.

It is very possible that the glass PBBs didnt cost enough extra that you could have put those funds into anything meaningful in the building.

The big piece of the building (volume, facade, etc) have been locked in since well before coronavirus. It is also possible that the glass PBB are only possible thanks to recent price drops.

shinatoo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 5:15 pm First time a saw this. North courtyard design to reference the old terminals. Pretty cool.

https://www.airportprojects.net/histori ... dation.pdf

Chris Stritzel wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 3:50 pm I find the idea of a glass jetway to be cool. I haven't flown much at all, but when I have, I don't much like walking down the jetways with no windows that are so common place. At least with the glass ones, you'll be able to see the plane you are getting onto and feel like you're in a larger space while waiting to board.

KCPowercat wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 6:19 pm

Chris Stritzel wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 3:50 pm I find the idea of a glass jetway to be cool. I haven't flown much at all, but when I have, I don't much like walking down the jetways with no windows that are so common place. At least with the glass ones, you'll be able to see the plane you are getting onto and feel like you're in a larger space while waiting to board.

I think they are awesome. They aren't first on my list of upgrades for the new terminal.

GRID wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 7:49 pm

KCPowercat wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 6:19 pm

Chris Stritzel wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 3:50 pm I find the idea of a glass jetway to be cool. I haven't flown much at all, but when I have, I don't much like walking down the jetways with no windows that are so common place. At least with the glass ones, you'll be able to see the plane you are getting onto and feel like you're in a larger space while waiting to board.

I think they are awesome. They aren't first on my list of upgrades for the new terminal.

There must be a reason they are not all that popular. Probably look like shit after a few years for example if they can't keep them clean. We all can't wait for that 12 second hike down the jetway to see what we have bee looking at for the previous hour just a little bit more.

I have come around on the airport. Yeah, it will be boring as hell from an architectural standpoint, but it will be an actual functioning airport terminal so you have that. Plus I'm holding out hope that the art installation is something special enough to offset some of "big box" airport terminal monotony. Seriously though, the new KCI reminds me of the old Hypermart at Banister Mall or any other box. They need to do something with the finishes and art to make it somewhat interesting.

WoodDraw wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 8:23 pm Out of curiosity, does anyone know what the airlines think now? I assume there is no way they get on board now.

I wonder if they still see it as something that had to be done or are like fuck that was bad timing.

normalthings wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 8:41 pm

WoodDraw wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 8:23 pm Out of curiosity, does anyone know what the airlines think now? I assume there is no way they get on board now.

I wonder if they still see it as something that had to be done or are like fuck that was bad timing.

Pittsburgh Terminal Modernization Project was derailed and they were maybe just a year or two behind us. The airlines signed agreements with KCI years ago so they are obligated to be on board.

The longer we waited, the less we were going to get. The 2000s central terminal plan proposed something like 60-70 gates. Late 2010s was 39 as we know. A delay of a year or so would have gotten us a 20-30 gate terminal.

WoodDraw wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 8:47 pm

normalthings wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 8:41 pm

WoodDraw wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 8:23 pm Out of curiosity, does anyone know what the airlines think now? I assume there is no way they get on board now.

I wonder if they still see it as something that had to be done or are like fuck that was bad timing.

Pittsburgh Terminal Modernization Project was derailed and they were maybe just a year or two behind us. The airlines signed agreements with KCI years ago so they are obligated to be on board.

The longer we waited, the less we were going to get. The 2000s central terminal plan proposed something like 60-70 gates. Late 2010s was 39 as we know. A delay of a year or so would have gotten us a 20-30 gate terminal.

That’s what I was thinking. I know they’re stuck now.

Just wondering if they regret asking for more gates or moving ahead at all.

I think 39 with some expansion capability is about right for us. I can’t imagine 60-70 but I don’t know what induced demand looks like in this industry.

Really lucky we got this done when we did, even if it t took longer than we wanted.

normalthings wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 8:09 pm

GRID wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 7:49 pm

KCPowercat wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 6:19 pm

I think they are awesome. They aren't first on my list of upgrades for the new terminal.

There must be a reason they are not all that popular. Probably look like shit after a few years for example if they can't keep them clean. We all can't wait for that 12 second hike down the jetway to see what we have bee looking at for the previous hour just a little bit more.

I have come around on the airport. Yeah, it will be boring as hell from an architectural standpoint, but it will be an actual functioning airport terminal so you have that. Plus I'm holding out hope that the art installation is something special enough to offset some of "big box" airport terminal monotony. Seriously though, the new KCI reminds me of the old Hypermart at Banister Mall or any other box. They need to do something with the finishes and art to make it somewhat interesting.

Glass PBBs are common overseas. They cost more upfront and more to maintain but are otherwise pretty nice. The trophy airports of the world pretty much all use glass PBBs.

US regulations had blocked them until maybe 5 or 10 years ago. We are one of the first “big city” terminals designed and constructed since they were legalized. Many smaller cities (including Witchita) have them and love them

KCPowercat wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 6:19 pm I think they are awesome. They aren't first on my list of upgrades for the new terminal.