Re: Phase Three Streetcar Expansion
Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2021 2:48 pm
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Please just get P33 done right away so you can get from the TWO trailheads at Blue River and Stadium drive to the Rock Island Trail.DaveKCMO wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 10:46 amIf I understand your question correctly, yes there will be a plan to connect the existing Rock Island trail to the urban core. The Linwood Corridor Complete Streets project offers some details on how that would work (10-14' shared use path):
https://dashboards.mysidewalk.com/linwood-psp/
websitebeautyfromashes wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 6:04 pmWhat's the progress/planning on Greenline? I haven't heard anything about it for awhile.
With the ability to traverse the main spine of the city, people will absolutely be coming around to the idea of regional rail for sure. It’ll be welcome to see the change of opinion overallAlkaliAxel wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 8:46 pm I genuinely do think that after the city is introduced to the Streetcar extension down Main, people's attitudes will start to look different on mass-rail when they get some taste of it. Just my thought.
The main spine of the city is closer to 40 miles N-S, a 6 mile train won’t change thatAnthony_Hugo98 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 8:50 pmWith the ability to traverse the main spine of the city, people will absolutely be coming around to the idea of regional rail for sure. It’ll be welcome to see the change of opinion overallAlkaliAxel wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 8:46 pm I genuinely do think that after the city is introduced to the Streetcar extension down Main, people's attitudes will start to look different on mass-rail when they get some taste of it. Just my thought.
That's not the point. The current streetcar won't have anything to do with building mass rail. The point is that it would change people's *perceptions* about rail to where they would be more open to mass rail, instead of an automatically pessimistic attitude.flyingember wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 9:40 pmThe main spine of the city is closer to 40 miles N-S, a 6 mile train won’t change thatAnthony_Hugo98 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 8:50 pmWith the ability to traverse the main spine of the city, people will absolutely be coming around to the idea of regional rail for sure. It’ll be welcome to see the change of opinion overallAlkaliAxel wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 8:46 pm I genuinely do think that after the city is introduced to the Streetcar extension down Main, people's attitudes will start to look different on mass-rail when they get some taste of it. Just my thought.
N Oak at 152, down to Burlington, to crossing downtown, to Main in midtown to Shawnee Mission Pkwy to Metcalf to about 119th.
Precisely the point I was making.AlkaliAxel wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 11:32 pmThat's not the point. The current streetcar won't have anything to do with building mass rail. The point is that it would change people's *perceptions* about rail to where they would be more open to mass rail, instead of an automatically pessimistic attitude.flyingember wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 9:40 pmThe main spine of the city is closer to 40 miles N-S, a 6 mile train won’t change thatAnthony_Hugo98 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 8:50 pm
With the ability to traverse the main spine of the city, people will absolutely be coming around to the idea of regional rail for sure. It’ll be welcome to see the change of opinion overall
N Oak at 152, down to Burlington, to crossing downtown, to Main in midtown to Shawnee Mission Pkwy to Metcalf to about 119th.
For example, all those people who were originally against the streetcar, but then saw it in action and changed their minds about rail. That can be boosted heavily by Main expansion. People will see that rail is good for us, and then we can hopefully get the ball really rolling. Hopefully alot of "wow, this would be cool if we had this in ____ town or street in my area" or something.
It’s been five years. Waiting another four years for expansion to open another and 2-3 for it to get real use won’t change many more opinions on a system with millions of rides already.AlkaliAxel wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 11:32 pm
That's not the point. The current streetcar won't have anything to do with building mass rail. The point is that it would change people's *perceptions* about rail to where they would be more open to mass rail, instead of an automatically pessimistic attitude.
For example, all those people who were originally against the streetcar, but then saw it in action and changed their minds about rail. That can be boosted heavily by Main expansion. People will see that rail is good for us, and then we can hopefully get the ball really rolling. Hopefully alot of "wow, this would be cool if we had this in ____ town or street in my area" or something.
I think it will. I know suburban and exo-burban residents who view the current system as a connector between parking and venues downtown. A longer system will show that it can work as an even more day-day users focused systemflyingember wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 8:07 amIt’s been five years. Waiting another four years for expansion to open another and 2-3 for it to get real use won’t change many more opinions on a system with millions of rides already.AlkaliAxel wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 11:32 pm
That's not the point. The current streetcar won't have anything to do with building mass rail. The point is that it would change people's *perceptions* about rail to where they would be more open to mass rail, instead of an automatically pessimistic attitude.
For example, all those people who were originally against the streetcar, but then saw it in action and changed their minds about rail. That can be boosted heavily by Main expansion. People will see that rail is good for us, and then we can hopefully get the ball really rolling. Hopefully alot of "wow, this would be cool if we had this in ____ town or street in my area" or something.
If it hasn’t happened what’s going to be different when it’s a fraction of the road system vs being an imperceptibly larger fraction? Will hundreds of thousands of people think, “oh, it’s now six miles and still goes nowhere near my home but that’s enough to show me the value” ???
The good public opinion should exist right now if it’s ever going to and waiting until 2030 to act on it is delaying unnecessarily.
We can see this in NKC where they clearly see the value and they’re taking action.
It doesn't change that though. Take someone coming from 159th and Switzer.normalthings wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 8:46 amI think it will. I know suburban and exo-burban residents who view the current system as a connector between parking and venues downtown. A longer system will show that it can work as an even more day-day users focused systemflyingember wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 8:07 amIt’s been five years. Waiting another four years for expansion to open another and 2-3 for it to get real use won’t change many more opinions on a system with millions of rides already.AlkaliAxel wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 11:32 pm
That's not the point. The current streetcar won't have anything to do with building mass rail. The point is that it would change people's *perceptions* about rail to where they would be more open to mass rail, instead of an automatically pessimistic attitude.
For example, all those people who were originally against the streetcar, but then saw it in action and changed their minds about rail. That can be boosted heavily by Main expansion. People will see that rail is good for us, and then we can hopefully get the ball really rolling. Hopefully alot of "wow, this would be cool if we had this in ____ town or street in my area" or something.
If it hasn’t happened what’s going to be different when it’s a fraction of the road system vs being an imperceptibly larger fraction? Will hundreds of thousands of people think, “oh, it’s now six miles and still goes nowhere near my home but that’s enough to show me the value” ???
The good public opinion should exist right now if it’s ever going to and waiting until 2030 to act on it is delaying unnecessarily.
We can see this in NKC where they clearly see the value and they’re taking action.
I imagine this would get away from Streetcar though, and drift further towards LRT, as it would have the capacity for stadiums to a significant degree more than SCalejandro46 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 1:21 pm Again, I think the Stadiums are the most apparent next "Phase 3" Expansion, even before NKC due to it's bridge limitations.
-TSC provides a clear, high visibility end point for a line that gets high traffic and could even be leveraged in discussions with Chiefs/Royals on stadium lease renewals.
-The area between Main and TSC needs critical investment; having the streetcar, a known development catalyst through the area would be huge for those all along the route.
-The VA hospital is another critical access facility, having the streetcar to the VA would connect affordable housing in the center city to medical care with rapid transit.
-There are expansion opportunities further along the Rock Island RR right of way.
-World Cup 2026 low transit scores shows that in the future if we want to hold big events at our stadiums, they shouldn't be so disconnected from the rest of the city.