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Posted: **Fri Oct 07, 2022 6:26 pm**

Okay can we please all stop to comment on that dog park please? I approve and can’t imagine such a landmark being displaced.

(Never been there or seen it before in my life)

Posted: **Fri Oct 07, 2022 6:29 pm**

WoodDraw wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 6:26 pm Okay can we please all stop to comment on that dog park please? I approve and can’t imagine such a landmark being displaced.

(Never been there or seen it before in my life)

Obviously avoiding the dog park, just to clarify, I’m just trash at drawing on my phone

Posted: **Fri Oct 07, 2022 6:30 pm**

*as anything but neighorhood streetcar*

Posted: **Fri Oct 07, 2022 6:31 pm**

normalthings wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 6:30 pm *as anything but neighorhood streetcar*

Neighborhood SC through dense neighborhood…then transition to LRT style once outside of dense neighborhood area, if extending SC.

Posted: **Fri Oct 07, 2022 9:12 pm**

Not sure why anyone would want anything but a neighborhood streetcar?

Posted: **Fri Oct 07, 2022 9:50 pm**

It’s mostly 1-2 floor warehouses and industry with some 1-3 floor residential to the north. I want to see something that can be LRT in the future

Posted: **Fri Oct 07, 2022 10:26 pm**

normalthings wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 9:50 pm It’s mostly 1-2 floor warehouses and industry with some 1-3 floor residential to the north. I want to see something that can be LRT in the future

I mean, Main was pretty underutilized space in 2014 too.

Posted: **Fri Oct 07, 2022 10:40 pm**

I think we need to stop building shared track anymore. It’sa people mover, but once you get outside people, you need speed.

If not, just run buses

Posted: **Fri Oct 07, 2022 10:52 pm**

I could've sworn someone on this site said they make vehicles for our kind of system that are effectively light rail cars and can reach higher speeds

Posted: **Fri Oct 07, 2022 11:27 pm**

TheLastGentleman wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 10:52 pm I could've sworn someone on this site said they make vehicles for our kind of system that are effectively light rail cars and can reach higher speeds

The caf website says they have a maximum speed of 70 kmh, which would be roughly, what, 40mph?

No idea if they could go more than that if they were running on dedicated rail but I’m guessing the answering is probably.

Posted: **Fri Oct 07, 2022 11:58 pm**

Anthony_Hugo98 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 10:26 pm
normalthings wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 9:50 pm It’s mostly 1-2 floor warehouses and industry with some 1-3 floor residential to the north. I want to see something that can be LRT in the future
I mean, Main was pretty underutilized space in 2014 too.

I don’t think we should be building more curb-running slow stuff. Mainstreet is way too easily slowed or stopped by traffic, parked vehicles, etc. I mean I would like to see main replaced in 20-30 years by a line on Grand or something.

I have always said Main Street south was curb running is a mistake imho. Obviously others disagreed and had other priorities (parking & turn lanes).

Posted: **Sat Oct 08, 2022 6:09 am**

TheLastGentleman wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 10:52 pm I could've sworn someone on this site said they make vehicles for our kind of system that are effectively light rail cars and can reach higher speeds

Yes. I’m not certain if these are able to operate at higher speeds, but they have the modularity and length of LRT vehicles. CAF also has a larger variety of vehicles outside of the Urbos family.

Posted: **Sat Oct 08, 2022 6:25 am**

normalthings wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 11:58 pm
Anthony_Hugo98 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 10:26 pm
normalthings wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 9:50 pm It’s mostly 1-2 floor warehouses and industry with some 1-3 floor residential to the north. I want to see something that can be LRT in the future
I mean, Main was pretty underutilized space in 2014 too.
I don’t think we should be building more curb-running slow stuff. Mainstreet is way too easily slowed or stopped by traffic, parked vehicles, etc. I mean I would like to see main replaced in 20-30 years by a line on Grand or something.

I have always said Main Street south was curb running is a mistake imho. Obviously others disagreed and had other priorities (parking & turn lanes).

I don’t disagree. If we are to keep curb running and keep expanding that way, then we need to decide wether those roads will become transit/bike/ped only or not. Otherwise the system won’t allow for anything more than localized services. I’m personally of the opinion that if we keep it the way it currently is, then LRT systems will need to be separated.

Posted: **Sun Oct 09, 2022 2:43 am**

I don't know all the logistics behind this subject but we just gotta get a line to airport. I don't care how it happens, but once Main St. expansion is completed that's the only other future rail I'll care about much (for any practical use). If we can do that then we can truly go car-less here for tourists.

Posted: **Sun Oct 09, 2022 2:52 am**

UMKC Roo wrote: ↑Sun Oct 09, 2022 2:43 am I don't know all the logistics behind this subject but we just gotta get a line to airport. I don't care how it happens, but once Main St. expansion is completed that's the only other future rail I'll care about much (for any practical use). If we can do that then we can truly go car-less here for tourists.

I think maybe 10% of streetcar users are tourists per KCstreetcar. So it seems to me that building lines for the other 90%, locals, is the better use of funds.

Posted: **Sun Oct 09, 2022 2:55 am**

normalthings wrote: ↑Sun Oct 09, 2022 2:52 am
UMKC Roo wrote: ↑Sun Oct 09, 2022 2:43 am I don't know all the logistics behind this subject but we just gotta get a line to airport. I don't care how it happens, but once Main St. expansion is completed that's the only other future rail I'll care about much (for any practical use). If we can do that then we can truly go car-less here for tourists.
I think maybe 10% of streetcar users are tourists per KCstreetcar. So it seems to me that building lines for the other 90%, locals, is the better use of funds.

I also think they should just start shooting a line to KU Med now and figure out eastern expansion while they're doing that, so we can get ahead on starting with that extension.

Posted: **Sun Oct 09, 2022 12:27 pm**

I still don't really understand the utility of streetcar to the riverfront. I am trying to keep an open mind and would count myself among the top streetcar boosters, but it feels like the cost/benefit just isn't there. An expensive extension for limited ridership gains that will impact frequency north of the river in the future (probably) and complicate scheduling south of the river.

On another note, I hope that any future North Oak extension (aside: this seems like a very distant prospect) will insist on exclusive ROW. Streetcar is a great way to move people but if it is in a shared lane over a long distance reliability will suffer which will impact ridership. I'm remaining cautiously optimistic about operations along the Main Street extension, but worried that even on that extension we've created a system with too much shared lane mileage to really gain the advantages we desire from a rail system.

Posted: **Sun Oct 09, 2022 12:42 pm**

smh wrote: ↑Sun Oct 09, 2022 12:27 pm I still don't really understand the utility of streetcar to the riverfront. I am trying to keep an open mind and would count myself among the top streetcar boosters, but it feels like the cost/benefit just isn't there. An expensive extension for limited ridership gains that will impact frequency north of the river in the future (probably) and complicate scheduling south of the river.

On another note, I hope that any future North Oak extension (aside: this seems like a very distant prospect) will insist on exclusive ROW. Streetcar is a great way to move people but if it is in a shared lane over a long distance reliability will suffer which will impact ridership. I'm remaining cautiously optimistic about operations along the Main Street extension, but worried that even on that extension we've created a system with too much shared lane mileage to really gain the advantages we desire from a rail system.

A swift NKC is far worse imho

Posted: **Sun Oct 09, 2022 4:38 pm**

UMKC Roo wrote: ↑Sun Oct 09, 2022 2:43 am I don't know all the logistics behind this subject but we just gotta get a line to airport. I don't care how it happens, but once Main St. expansion is completed that's the only other future rail I'll care about much (for any practical use). If we can do that then we can truly go car-less here for tourists.

Rail to the airport is way far down on my wishlist. That's a lot of investment and a lot of track miles. Would much rather see those resources go towards building a more robust system in the urban core. It's not really that big of a deal to Uber/Taxi to the airport at least IMO. I'd keep dishing for an Uber to MCI for the rest of my life if the trade-off was getting the equivalent track miles of tram line laid in the urban core.

Posted: **Sun Oct 09, 2022 8:52 pm**

I keep seeing the KCI rail idea shot down, but it makes me confused. Are other airport rail systems not well used? Was Denver's a waste?

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