KCRag Forum

im2kull wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 11:09 pm Solar is still one of the worst performing renewables and a pretty wasteful investment. It's just trendy at the moment. Wind has made enormous gains and is in all likelihood the future, beyond nuclear power.

im2kull wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 11:09 pm Solar is still one of the worst performing renewables and a pretty wasteful investment. It's just trendy at the moment. Wind has made enormous gains and is in all likelihood the future, beyond nuclear power.

beautyfromashes wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 11:45 pm

im2kull wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 11:09 pm Solar is still one of the worst performing renewables and a pretty wasteful investment. It's just trendy at the moment. Wind has made enormous gains and is in all likelihood the future, beyond nuclear power.

Let's be honest, no renewables can touch dirty energy. You're essentially "burning" rocks by digging up a mountain or drilling a hole in the ground and letting pressure push it to the surface. Solar and wind can lose almost half of their energy (power line loss) just in the transportation from where the resource is available to where it's needed and it has to be used right away or stored in a very expensive way. The only real way to cut energy usage is to use less and Americans will just not go for it. They will complain about automatic lights or driving less or zero package purchasing or power conservation during peak hours. Of course, government regulation doesn't really help either. They put limits on power usage but this just causes more complex appliances that die sooner so we have more dishwashers and refrigerators in the landfill.

dnweava wrote: ↑Tue Sep 19, 2023 7:53 am Let's be ACTUALLY honest. Wind and Solar is now just as cheap as coal and has been competitive for awhile and the technology is getting better every year. You can also put solar panels on any building so there is no line loss as you are producing the energy where it's being used, not miles away like traditional power plants. You can also say government regulation doesn't help but KCMO is going to the 2021 energy code in a few weeks and it's going to massively increase the amount of insulation in new buildings which when factored over 100s of new homes/apt units every year, will add up to significate energy usage reduction.

Yes, you still have to deal with the duck curve with battery storage or other energy sources but your post is just absurd.

beautyfromashes wrote: ↑Tue Sep 19, 2023 9:31 am

dnweava wrote: ↑Tue Sep 19, 2023 7:53 am Let's be ACTUALLY honest. Wind and Solar is now just as cheap as coal and has been competitive for awhile and the technology is getting better every year. You can also put solar panels on any building so there is no line loss as you are producing the energy where it's being used, not miles away like traditional power plants. You can also say government regulation doesn't help but KCMO is going to the 2021 energy code in a few weeks and it's going to massively increase the amount of insulation in new buildings which when factored over 100s of new homes/apt units every year, will add up to significate energy usage reduction.

Yes, you still have to deal with the duck curve with battery storage or other energy sources but your post is just absurd.

Solar on your house is much more expensive than getting power through an electrical line and would only make sense on a large project with a massive government subsidy. And no one is putting wind turbines in their Brookside house so line loss is a very big issue. Sure, batteries are getting better and renewables are getting cheaper (really all other power is getting more expensive to meet it), but it’s still very far away without a check from papa government. Coal is cheap. Dirty but cheap. Just the current state of things.

alejandro46 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 19, 2023 11:02 am

beautyfromashes wrote: ↑Tue Sep 19, 2023 9:31 am

dnweava wrote: ↑Tue Sep 19, 2023 7:53 am Let's be ACTUALLY honest. Wind and Solar is now just as cheap as coal and has been competitive for awhile and the technology is getting better every year. You can also put solar panels on any building so there is no line loss as you are producing the energy where it's being used, not miles away like traditional power plants. You can also say government regulation doesn't help but KCMO is going to the 2021 energy code in a few weeks and it's going to massively increase the amount of insulation in new buildings which when factored over 100s of new homes/apt units every year, will add up to significate energy usage reduction.

Yes, you still have to deal with the duck curve with battery storage or other energy sources but your post is just absurd.

Solar on your house is much more expensive than getting power through an electrical line and would only make sense on a large project with a massive government subsidy. And no one is putting wind turbines in their Brookside house so line loss is a very big issue. Sure, batteries are getting better and renewables are getting cheaper (really all other power is getting more expensive to meet it), but it’s still very far away without a check from papa government. Coal is cheap. Dirty but cheap. Just the current state of things.

I did recently get solar and it made sense with the rebates and low-cost Solarize KC program. Battery storage makes no sense but maybe next house I will do it. I am paying cash but it was going to be like $60 mo/financed 0% interest. Hopefully offsets about 50-60% of my power bill and it will add value to the house when I sell it. I didn't get as big of a system as I could so it's not visible from the front of the house. We need to subsidize more solar to transition away from coal. Solar is a great use of land around KCI that otherwise would be just used for hay or vacant and it will lock in electricity costs for the airport for decades to come.

I need to get a Solar Roof installed if I build another house. I'm not sure if anybody in KC has one of these.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJeSWbR6W04

im2kull wrote: ↑Tue Sep 19, 2023 2:12 pm

alejandro46 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 19, 2023 11:02 am

beautyfromashes wrote: ↑Tue Sep 19, 2023 9:31 am
Solar on your house is much more expensive than getting power through an electrical line and would only make sense on a large project with a massive government subsidy. And no one is putting wind turbines in their Brookside house so line loss is a very big issue. Sure, batteries are getting better and renewables are getting cheaper (really all other power is getting more expensive to meet it), but it’s still very far away without a check from papa government. Coal is cheap. Dirty but cheap. Just the current state of things.

I did recently get solar and it made sense with the rebates and low-cost Solarize KC program. Battery storage makes no sense but maybe next house I will do it. I am paying cash but it was going to be like $60 mo/financed 0% interest. Hopefully offsets about 50-60% of my power bill and it will add value to the house when I sell it. I didn't get as big of a system as I could so it's not visible from the front of the house. We need to subsidize more solar to transition away from coal. Solar is a great use of land around KCI that otherwise would be just used for hay or vacant and it will lock in electricity costs for the airport for decades to come.

I need to get a Solar Roof installed if I build another house. I'm not sure if anybody in KC has one of these.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJeSWbR6W04

You really think destroying and developing thousands of acres of natural habitat is an excellent use of land and a way to be a good steward for the world?

alejandro46 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 19, 2023 4:26 pm

im2kull wrote: ↑Tue Sep 19, 2023 2:12 pm

alejandro46 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 19, 2023 11:02 am

I did recently get solar and it made sense with the rebates and low-cost Solarize KC program. Battery storage makes no sense but maybe next house I will do it. I am paying cash but it was going to be like $60 mo/financed 0% interest. Hopefully offsets about 50-60% of my power bill and it will add value to the house when I sell it. I didn't get as big of a system as I could so it's not visible from the front of the house. We need to subsidize more solar to transition away from coal. Solar is a great use of land around KCI that otherwise would be just used for hay or vacant and it will lock in electricity costs for the airport for decades to come.

I need to get a Solar Roof installed if I build another house. I'm not sure if anybody in KC has one of these.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJeSWbR6W04

You really think destroying and developing thousands of acres of natural habitat is an excellent use of land and a way to be a good steward for the world?

The land is not "natural." It's farmland that has previously been clear-cut.

Yes, solar is a better use of this farmland than hay farming. 100000% Natural habitat? by the airport? LMAO

im2kull wrote: ↑Tue Sep 19, 2023 6:36 pm

alejandro46 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 19, 2023 4:26 pm

im2kull wrote: ↑Tue Sep 19, 2023 2:12 pm

You really think destroying and developing thousands of acres of natural habitat is an excellent use of land and a way to be a good steward for the world?

The land is not "natural." It's farmland that has previously been clear-cut.

Yes, solar is a better use of this farmland than hay farming. 100000% Natural habitat? by the airport? LMAO

You know, you should really read and research before making false statements. They're going to have to wipe out hundreds of acres of trees to make this happen. These parcels aren't all farmland. Try visiting the Northland for a change and doing some plane spotting, instead of just assuming everyone up there is a backwoods farmer. LOL.

Also, it's just ignorant to be a proponent of "Clean" energy, while ignoring the obvious destruction that something this massive will cause. You don't have to minimize it. You can admit that it's a necessary evil if you feel that way. Just as others can admit that it's ultimately a waste and abuse of the Earth. Build a few nuclear plants and all this waste would never even need to be discussed. What do you think is better for the Earth? A handful of new nuclear plants, or millions of acres of land lost to solar panels reflecting heat and energy back into our atmosphere.. further warming the Earth?

alejandro46 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 19, 2023 4:26 pm

im2kull wrote: ↑Tue Sep 19, 2023 2:12 pm

alejandro46 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 19, 2023 11:02 am

I did recently get solar and it made sense with the rebates and low-cost Solarize KC program. Battery storage makes no sense but maybe next house I will do it. I am paying cash but it was going to be like $60 mo/financed 0% interest. Hopefully offsets about 50-60% of my power bill and it will add value to the house when I sell it. I didn't get as big of a system as I could so it's not visible from the front of the house. We need to subsidize more solar to transition away from coal. Solar is a great use of land around KCI that otherwise would be just used for hay or vacant and it will lock in electricity costs for the airport for decades to come.

I need to get a Solar Roof installed if I build another house. I'm not sure if anybody in KC has one of these.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJeSWbR6W04

You really think destroying and developing thousands of acres of natural habitat is an excellent use of land and a way to be a good steward for the world?

The land is not "natural." It's farmland that has previously been clear-cut.

Yes, solar is a better use of this farmland than hay farming. 100000% Natural habitat? by the airport? LMAO

Anthony_Hugo98 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 22, 2023 4:11 pm Just had the 4th Million passenger month. In a row. I don’t know if the new terminal is the biggest factor in that, or it just conveniently opened at the start of the busy season helped us along, but it seems airlines have taken notice of the facility.

The Proposed Project would provide five additional gates by expanding the eastern end of the Main Terminal building