Livestrong Sporting Park

[jdubwaldo]

I meant so I could click "like" on your last response.... 

[zonk]

Nicely said Rokhok!

[kanasalumn]

Ok

1-Wizards are still in the KC Metro, and they are not moving out of hte metro.   who cares where in KCMO,KCK, OPKS, Olathe, a nd Lee Sumit, it is in the KC Metro

2-4000 potential jobs in the KC Metro, who cares if it is in KCK or KCMO.   People drive long places to goto work.   I have an employee who drives from Ostwambie to PVKS, and I have my boss drive from Pleasant Hill to PVKS.    It is potential jobs for the whole KC Metro

3-Already established retail, office, and speedway with the Casino and waterpark opening in near future.   Now hopefully the Woodlands re-open\

This is good for the KC Metro, I think that what is really about.   Yes I would love to see the Core of  better shape from DT KCMO, MidtownKCMO, Westport, and DT of KCK to be in better shape, and I rather have the baseball stadium in the core area, but it is still in the KC Metro, and the Royals are still in town

Now we need better public transportation

[NDTeve]

Who cares...you ask kansasalum???? Grid cares. 

[jdubwaldo]

Many of us care to see businesses abandon the actual proper CITY of Kansas City, as well as the state of Missouri.  Every resident of Kansas City, MO at the least, should care.  If they don't they must have their head in the sand.

People have brought up that we should all be happy Cerner remained in KC.  Sure, but in all honesty, what a joke that comment is, like they have incentive to leave KC?  Comparing that to Harley Davidson's manufacturing facility discussions is like comparing bacon to apples, there is no relation at all.  Sure, Cerner is in business to make money.  What company isn't?  They just did what was convenient by using the KS vs MO play that so many of these companies all have in their back pocket and KS seems to win on over the course of time.

[KCMax]

I don't know why anyone would expect WyCo, Kansas, or Cerner to act with KC's best interest at heart. It is up to KCMO leaders to do what is best for KCMO and align those interests and form coalitions with surrounding metro governments and area companies when possible. But sitting around and hoping everyone will just cut KCMO a break out of the goodness of their heart isn't going to make KCMO a great city again.

[jdubwaldo]

Absolutely.  So we just have a bunch of idiots in city hall to blame for all of our city's woes, pretty much? 

[loftguy]

Absolutely.  So we just have a bunch of idiots in city hall to blame for all of our city's woes, pretty much? 

Well, at least one fer sure.

[justin8216]

Why are the KCMO posters so selfish? Why cant KC KS get one lousy office campus. KCMO and JOCO already have dozens of them. If this was truly the ONE KC that we have been trying to tout then everyone should be happy and congratulate KC KS for their well deserved success. Instead there is an attitude on here that KCMO should get everything. Well that is bullshit. Cerner had to offer KC KS the office campus as a trade for them to give up their tax revenue to pay for the Stadium. If they didn't offer the office campus then KC KS wouldn't give up their tax revenue to fund the Stadium and the KC Metro would have never got a new soccer only stadium and most likely would have lost the Wizards eventually. KC KS saved the Wizards for The KC Metro and is footing the bill for this new metro amenity. And this is the thanks they get.

Secondly this whole thing is exactly what MO posters have been asking for all along. They said that KCMO and Jackson County taxpayers have foot the bill for all the "amenities" that the rest of the metro (read Kansas) get to enjoy IE, Truman Sports Complex, AT&T Center/Kemper Arena, etc. Now KS taxpayers have stepped up to the plate and are paying for one of these "amenities" with their tax money and the MO posters still aren't happy. It seems that it is just impossible to please many of the MO posters.

[jdubwaldo]

Selfish?  Because where would KCK be without KC, MO?  We don't need to dig out the statistics to see the answer to that question.

[KCPowercat]

to me this has nothing to do with kck...nobodyy is saing all other cities should act in kcmo's best interest. 

[GRID]

You are talking about a 400 million dollar project that is subsidized with 229 million in public money.  That's why Cerner walked away from KCMO (kcmo can't compete with that) and that's why KCK "should" have demanded more than some office buildings thrown off the side of 435 such as building the office component in downtown KCK or as part of a larger mixed use development east of 435 in a part of KCK that is actually "KCK".  They still could have tapped into the revenue to help build the stadium and the stadium could also have been partially funded with a more traditional source of reveune like a short term sales tax.

These STAR bonds and other super aggressive incentives are destructive to the KC area as a whole because they create a situation where a company would be stupid not to take advantage of them.  They also create excuses to create bullshit "tourist attractions" (Mission aquarium, OP Smithsonian) just so developers can have a reason to get KS to allow them to use STAR bonds which is counter-productive to any efforts to create a real aquarium or museum attraction in the "city" where they fucking belong.

Metro KC just continues to self destruct.  Cerner should have redeveloped the Bannister site or they should have done something in the city of KCMO or KCK or NKC.  If they want to build some bland office complex in exurbia, fine.  Just do it with a lot more of their own money...

[justin8216]

You are talking about a 400 million dollar project that is subsidized with 229 million in public money.  That's why Cerner walked away from KCMO....

They walked away from KCMO because there was no way given the state of the economy that they were going to attract the necessary retail development to make the redevelopment happen. It had nothing to do with the size of the offer. MO's offer was no longer viable.

....(kcmo can't compete with that) and that's why KCK "should" have demanded more than some office buildings thrown off the side of 435 such as building the office component in downtown KCK or as part of a larger mixed use development east of 435 in a part of KCK that is actually "KCK"...... 

Excuse me but that statement is total nonsense. As a resident of Kansas City, KS I can tell you that Village West is as part of Kansas City, KS as Rosedale or Quindaro. Thats why we the people of Wyandotte County chose to unify our government. Because we were savvy enough to realize that all our futures were interconnected. We are one City, indeed one county, and have been for a very long time and when one area of our County thrives all areas feel the benefits.

[aknowledgeableperson]

These STAR bonds and other super aggressive incentives are destructive to the KC area as a whole because they create a situation where a company would be stupid not to take advantage of them.  They also create excuses to create bullshit "tourist attractions" (Mission aquarium, OP Smithsonian) just so developers can have a reason to get KS to allow them to use STAR bonds which is counter-productive to any efforts to create a real aquarium or museum attraction in the "city" where they fucking belong.

Why do those attractions belong in KCMO?  So that KCMO can support them with its tax dollars?  Oh yeah, KCMO is having budget problems and is already having trouble supporting whatever toursit attractions it already has.  So now the KS side can have some attractions and support them with its tax dollars.  Time to spread the pain.

You are talking about a 400 million dollar project that is subsidized with 229 million in public money.  That's why Cerner walked away from KCMO (kcmo can't compete with that)

KCMO was going to use sales tax revenue, among others, to finance the project.  Guess what?  There was no sales tax revenue to be had.  A victim of the recession, not KCK coming in and stealing it.  It was already lost to KCMO.

[davidc]

This may seem a bit off topic (ok, it is kinda off topic), but the biggest advantage, imo, to Cerner is that its employees can live nearby and have decent schools for their kids. That is simply not available in KCMO.

If KCMO wants to draw more jobs, it needs to have at least "decent" schools rather than the shambles they have had for the last however many decades.

[NDTeve]

This may seem a bit off topic (ok, it is kinda off topic), but the biggest advantage, imo, to Cerner is that its employees can live nearby and have decent schools for their kids. That is simply not available in KCMO.

If KCMO wants to draw more jobs, it needs to have at least "decent" schools rather than the shambles they have had for the last however many decades.

this should end well.

[KCPowercat]

This may seem a bit off topic (ok, it is kinda off topic), but the biggest advantage, imo, to Cerner is that its employees can live nearby and have decent schools for their kids. That is simply not available in KCMO.

If KCMO wants to draw more jobs, it needs to have at least "decent" schools rather than the shambles they have had for the last however many decades.

a)  there are good schools in KCMO
b)  you don't have to live in the same jurisdiction of your job
c)  KCK not known for their schools
d)  only 30% of the KC metro household even have school aged children.

[justin8216]

Only an 11 acre site to build the stadium.

[zonk]

quit whining you freaks.....be happy that there is some development/investment going on in kcmetro.  whether its on the kcmo side or ks side WHO GIVE A SHIT!  We should all be happy that investment is happening in KC metro.....jobs....jobs...jobs.

[davidc]

a)  there are good schools in KCMO
b)  you don't have to live in the same jurisdiction of your job
c)  KCK not known for their schools
d)  only 30% of the KC metro household even have school aged children.

a) just not the KCMO schools themselves
b) you shouldn't have to live somewhere else to get a decent school
c) KCK schools (especially in the area around VW) are a heck of a lot better than the schools around downtown or the Bannister site
d) so only 1/3 of your employees would have to commute from another city to get a decent school for their kids ... wonderful