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Re: Midtown Area Apartment Boom
Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2022 8:17 pm
by FangKC
Historic preservation group opposes plan to demolish buildings at 31st and Main in KC
A permit to begin demolishing a block of buildings at 31st and Main streets was filed Thursday, raising concerns about efforts to preserve buildings with historic significance in Kansas City.
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The application lists seven properties on the northeast corner of 31st and Main, which is along the route for the expansion of the KC Streetcar.
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The Historic Kansas City Foundation opposes the demolition.
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The organization would like to see the property developers meet with the Union Hill Neighborhood Association to get input from residents and has called for the city to enact a more thorough demolition review process.
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https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/a ... rylink=cpy
Re: Midtown Area Apartment Boom
Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2022 10:14 am
by Cratedigger
Doug Price of PriceMgmtCo said he intends to raze the properties, including the 134 year-old Jeserich Building at 3041-45 Main within 30 days and ultimately plans to redevelop the site with a “dense” project.
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“I have no intention of working with the corner building,” he said.
Price added he was working with Mayor Quinton Lucas to come up with a redevelopment plan.
“The city wants density and I’m going to deliver,” he said.
https://cityscenekc.com/historic-jeseri ... n-for-now/
Welp
Re: Midtown Area Apartment Boom
Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2022 10:15 am
by Cratedigger
Also
Kansas City-based PriceMgmtCo, which is managed by Doug Price, is a different entity than Price Brothers of Overland Park. Price Brothers is led by Kent Price.
Re: Midtown Area Apartment Boom
Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2022 10:27 am
by beautyfromashes
Let's see what our mayor and council are made of.
Re: Midtown Area Apartment Boom
Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2022 11:23 am
by alejandro46
Jesus what a cluster. These old buildings canbe saved and repurposed.
Why not -
-Build around existing buildings focusing on the large parking lot to the North and rehab. See example of 39th street project where the developer met with the neighborhood and re-designed the project to save the Scotford building.
- Renovate the existing buildings and leave as-is
-Save facade and re-build backend to a higher rise building useing same style/motif (not perferred obviously). Similar to Katz drug, but the Katz building was a single use drug store and being re-purposed for apartments. These are already mid-rise buildings that are in use or can be easily upgraded for commercial and office/residential uses.
Either way, without a redeveopment plan, I too fear these will sit as another vacant lot for the next 10 years, no matter which wing of the Price Demo Crew does it.
Re: Midtown Area Apartment Boom
Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2022 11:58 am
by chaglang
Not sure what leverage the council and mayor have here.
Re: Midtown Area Apartment Boom
Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2022 12:09 pm
by AlkaliAxel
Well if he's got a better project in mind that they'll actually build, then I'm open to it. We also definitely need to see renderings
Re: Midtown Area Apartment Boom
Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2022 12:26 pm
by GRID
Jesus. There is zero reason to to tear those down. Even for another shitty five story 2x4/drywall box that will last 20 years, but especially not before you even have a plan. Going to look like 12th and Grand for ten years now.
Re: Midtown Area Apartment Boom
Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2022 4:19 pm
by beautyfromashes
chaglang wrote: ↑Wed Apr 27, 2022 11:58 am
Not sure what leverage the council and mayor have here.
Trade a comparable, city-owned lot along the streetcar line for the property?
Re: Midtown Area Apartment Boom
Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2022 4:55 pm
by daGOAT
Realistically all KC has to do is deny the permits. That would buy enough time to get the Historic Designation for the Jesserich Building.
Re: Midtown Area Apartment Boom
Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2022 8:10 pm
by alejandro46
Unfortunately, that is likey not legally possible. I am for preserving the building, but because it is private property the city can not legally interfere with your rights beyond certain regulations (ex zoning or existing historical designation).
See below:
https://www.ownerscounsel.com/can-prohi ... -a-taking/
Re: Midtown Area Apartment Boom
Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2022 8:46 pm
by FangKC
The Council intervened with the demolition of the Empire Theater / Mainstreet Theater building by Executive Hills. A pre-demolition permit was already approved and issued. The theater also wasn't on the register of historic places, or a locally-landmarked structure. The Council intervened and stopped it.
City leaders can also influence developers in other ways. There might be backchannel ways to discourage the developer from taking that step. One primary one is for City leaders to explain the uproar that could ensue from neighborhood groups that might cripple any future efforts the developer might face in the City. Leaders could also explain that bad faith by developers can affect whether their projects get approved quickly, or send back for revision time and again. They might explain how it might affect all future requests for public incentives on this, and other projects going forward.
Re: Midtown Area Apartment Boom
Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2022 10:40 pm
by Cratedigger
FangKC wrote: ↑Wed Apr 27, 2022 8:46 pm
City leaders can also influence developers in other ways. There might be backchannel ways to discourage the developer from taking that step. One primary one is for City leaders to explain the uproar that could ensue from neighborhood groups that might cripple any future efforts the developer might face in the City. Leaders could also explain that bad faith by developers can affect whether their projects get approved quickly, or send back for revision time and again. They might explain how it might affect all future requests for public incentives on this, and other projects going forward.
Seriously. It’s shit like this that makes people hate developers.
This is why we can’t have nice things at Armour and Main
Re: Midtown Area Apartment Boom
Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2022 9:46 am
by rxlexi
freedog wrote: ↑Wed Apr 27, 2022 10:40 pm
Seriously. It’s shit like this that makes people hate developers.
This is why we can’t have nice things at Armour and Main
Sad but true. And so frustrating. This is such a key corner, and you could make an argument that the right project here would justify the loss of these buildings.
But without any concrete plan in place, and especially with Price's track record (not splitting hairs over "which" Price), this kind of stuff seems borderline malicious to the community, even to the development nerds like most of us on the rag.
Re: Midtown Area Apartment Boom
Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2022 10:08 am
by moderne
These buildings were the original TOD at this intersection. All the major east-west arterials along Main had these type of buildings to cater to needs of people changing lines. There was also a line of lower commercial buildings east of the alley along 31st that were torn down around 1990 to get rid of a gay bar that was there.
Re: Midtown Area Apartment Boom
Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2022 10:50 am
by TheLastGentleman
There should be treated with a “your freedom to swing your fist ends where my nose begins” philosophy. KC is running a $200m streetcar straight past this parcel, and it’s in the public’s interest for it to running past buildings, not blasted out surface lots. This goes for the entire streetcar line. In a town where we have destructive developers like Copaken or Price bros, I think extra restrictions and controls are in order, to protect what little of KC’s urban fabric has survived
Re: Midtown Area Apartment Boom
Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2022 11:14 am
by FlippantCitizen
FangKC wrote: ↑Wed Apr 27, 2022 8:46 pm
The Council intervened with the demolition of the Empire Theater / Mainstreet Theater building by Executive Hills. A pre-demolition permit was already approved and issued. The theater also wasn't on the register of historic places, or a locally-landmarked structure. The Council intervened and stopped it.
City leaders can also influence developers in other ways. There might be backchannel ways to discourage the developer from taking that step. One primary one is for City leaders to explain the uproar that could ensue from neighborhood groups that might cripple any future efforts the developer might face in the City. Leaders could also explain that bad faith by developers can affect whether their projects get approved quickly, or send back for revision time and again. They might explain how it might affect all future requests for public incentives on this, and other projects going forward.
This. I emphasized these points while on the phone with the office of a couple council members.
Re: Midtown Area Apartment Boom
Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2022 11:57 am
by Cratedigger
FangKC wrote: ↑Wed Apr 27, 2022 8:46 pm
The Council intervened with the demolition of the Empire Theater / Mainstreet Theater building by Executive Hills. A pre-demolition permit was already approved and issued. The theater also wasn't on the register of historic places, or a locally-landmarked structure. The Council intervened and stopped it.
City leaders can also influence developers in other ways. There might be backchannel ways to discourage the developer from taking that step. One primary one is for City leaders to explain the uproar that could ensue from neighborhood groups that might cripple any future efforts the developer might face in the City. Leaders could also explain that bad faith by developers can affect whether their projects get approved quickly, or send back for revision time and again. They might explain how it might affect all future requests for public incentives on this, and other projects going forward.
Did not realize this. That would have been heartbreaking to lose that theater.
Re: Midtown Area Apartment Boom
Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2022 1:24 pm
by FangKC
freedog wrote: ↑Thu Apr 28, 2022 11:57 am
FangKC wrote: ↑Wed Apr 27, 2022 8:46 pm
The Council intervened with the demolition of the Empire Theater / Mainstreet Theater building by Executive Hills. A pre-demolition permit was already approved and issued. The theater also wasn't on the register of historic places, or a locally-landmarked structure. The Council intervened and stopped it.
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Did not realize this. That would have been heartbreaking to lose that theater.
I was the one who discovered the pre-demolition permit had been filed that afternoon. I emailed City Council members, Historic Kansas City Foundation, and local media that night.
I had an inkling Executive Hills would pull a stunt like that, and was vigilant about checking the permits pulled on the theater parcel.
Re: Midtown Area Apartment Boom
Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2022 1:28 pm
by FangKC
TheLastGentleman wrote: ↑Thu Apr 28, 2022 10:50 am
There should be treated with a “your freedom to swing your fist ends where my nose begins” philosophy. KC is running a $200m streetcar straight past this parcel, and it’s in the public’s interest for it to running past buildings, not blasted out surface lots. This goes for the entire streetcar line. In a town where we have destructive developers like Copaken or Price bros, I think extra restrictions and controls are in order, to protect what little of KC’s urban fabric has survived
My gut instinct about this is that they want those buildings demolished mostly so they can close the alley and build structured parking in the middle of any project constructed on the whole south end of the block.
Who will bet me they will ask for incentives as well?