Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC
Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:15 pm
Any chance on that accelerating the timeline? Or is that more so due to engineering and construction restraints than when funds are dispersed?
Any chance on that accelerating the timeline? Or is that more so due to engineering and construction restraints than when funds are dispersed?
Disappointing news. Hopefully, we see that 20% contingency removed shortly and expanded grant programs for future projects. The re-introduction of earmarks may also benefit us.
30% is pretty wild. I maintain the belief that transit projects should not have to do an environmental study and any transit line next to existing or a previous one should get automatic planning/regulatory approval (still needs safety checks)flyingember wrote: ↑Thu Feb 25, 2021 9:29 am To mention lawsuits, the Trolley Track encroachment lawsuit was on the scale of three years from end to end.
So if someone filed one today let's look at what 5% annual construction inflation over three years does.
$351 million becomes $406 million. That's a > 15% cost increase.
The contingency is completely necessary. With how many projects go dramatically over budget a 30% contingency should become the norm for big projects.
That's stupid. None of this is important to do? That for some reason a property miles from any prior studies who cares what's special about it, ignore any and all concerns and just approve building.normalthings wrote: ↑Thu Feb 25, 2021 11:31 am I maintain the belief that transit projects should not have to do an environmental study and any transit line next to existing or a previous one should get automatic planning/regulatory approval (still needs safety checks)
flyingember wrote: ↑Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:52 pmThat's stupid. None of this is important to do? That for some reason a property miles from any prior studies who cares what's special about it, ignore any and all concerns and just approve building.normalthings wrote: ↑Thu Feb 25, 2021 11:31 am I maintain the belief that transit projects should not have to do an environmental study and any transit line next to existing or a previous one should get automatic planning/regulatory approval (still needs safety checks)
Environmental justice, like making sure low income populations are well served by transit is part of the assessment.
Historic structure assessments, so the project doesn't destroy buildings it shouldn't.
If you are building in an existing street or transit row, its not really a problem.
Matching the visual character, like not building a substation that clashes with historic building.
Dont think that substation design is a piece of the environmental review nor does it take an environmental review to make them look in place
Noise reviews so transit doesn't come in and cause problems with people living in the area
Transit is not very noisy. In fact, the CCROW study showed that the streetcar going behind people's houses would be quieter than the cars in front. Again, not an issue imho if built in existing street or transit row.
Hazardous material plans so the project can account for if there's storage tanks or dirty soil buried when the street was widened. Think about how many rails were unearthed downtown 60 years after they were buried. Surprises crop up all the time when digging.
I agree that a hazardous material plan is important.
Stop placement is even part of the environmental assessment. From the many discussions on the topic this is clearly of huge importance to people.
Is it, I scrolled through and don't see anything. If it is, I am not really sure why that needs to be a piece of an environmental study.
The streetcar is expanding and rebuilding the row. It's stops are encroaching on the sidewalk. What if it will take away sidewalk seating from businesses, who is this impacting?
Environmental justice, like making sure low income populations are well served by transit is part of the assessment.
Historic structure assessments, so the project doesn't destroy buildings it shouldn't.
If you are building in an existing street or transit row, its not really a problem.
No, but matching the design to an area absolutely can be important. The blue McDonald's logo in Sedona would be a good example of this. There's a tram somewhere in Europe (Spain?) that has a wire free section because they refused to have the aesthetics of them through a historic area.Matching the visual character, like not building a substation that clashes with historic building.
Dont think that substation design is a piece of the environmental review nor does it take an environmental review to make them look in place
A rail transit horn is 90 decibles. That's like shouting every time you exit a stop. Imagine someone just assuming everyone living nearby knows this.Noise reviews so transit doesn't come in and cause problems with people living in the area
Transit is not very noisy. In fact, the CCROW study showed that the streetcar going behind people's houses would be quieter than the cars in front. Again, not an issue imho if built in existing street or transit row.
Hazardous material plans so the project can account for if there's storage tanks or dirty soil buried when the street was widened. Think about how many rails were unearthed downtown 60 years after they were buried. Surprises crop up all the time when digging.
I agree that a hazardous material plan is important.
Think about flooding. If you place a stop downhill of a park you could get water runoff to it. Assessing the topography is important for stops.Stop placement is even part of the environmental assessment. From the many discussions on the topic this is clearly of huge importance to people.
Is it, I scrolled through and don't see anything. If it is, I am not really sure why that needs to be a piece of an environmental study.
Sole source. Easy peasy.
This may have been asked before but will the new vehicles be identical to the existing ones?
People always want to hate what someone else is excited about and they don’t understand.
They both ran unopposed. There wasn't any chance for people to pick the best candidate.KCPowercat wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 9:53 am Those two drive me insane. They don't seem to add anything of value to any topic.