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Re: Downtown Baseball Stadium
Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:43 am
by DColeKC
alejandro46 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:35 am
Is it just me, or do I think that any new Royals should not be domed, right? Adds a lot of cost, complexity, etc. We have 90+ games, temperate weather and it blocks the views.
I think majority agree with you. I'm very much for open-air, not covered stadium for our market.
Re: Downtown Baseball Stadium
Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:57 pm
by Karambit25
I agree no dome.
But a smaller boutique urban stadium with a retractable roof like Toronto would be optimal IMO.
Re: Downtown Baseball Stadium
Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2022 4:36 pm
by DColeKC
Goonies wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:10 pm
Globe Life Park just looks like something that in 25 years will be torn down
It's Texas, so that's probably accurate.
Re: Downtown Baseball Stadium
Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:39 pm
by KCPowercat
I'd be for Kauffman 2.0 having the ability to make a retractable roof in Phase 2 if the core building could be built to support it but not at all a top 10 need for a new stadium.
Funny talking about Globe Life given they moved out of the old Ranger stadium after ~25 years.
Re: Downtown Baseball Stadium
Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2022 2:24 am
by AlkaliAxel
After alot of new research & thought, I've come fully around on the Jail site for my preferred stadium location. I think it's by far the best option. It's the *only spot* that can simultaneously weave P&L, the south loop cap & future EV spinoff development together. Basically, I think this site can get everyone a good chunk of what they want. I really hope they're considering this spot.
Re: Downtown Baseball Stadium
Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:42 am
by shinatoo
I've always thought that with the Royals fan base being so dispersed (2 to 6 hours away) a retractable roof would be desired. If someone in Wichita or Omaha wants to make a family weekend of a trip to KC, having the assurance that the game won't be rained out would be welcoming and would probably drive more ticket sales.
Re: Downtown Baseball Stadium
Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:44 am
by Anthony_Hugo98
Goonies wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:27 am
KCPowercat wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:39 pm
I'd be for Kauffman 2.0 having the ability to make a retractable roof in Phase 2 if the core building could be built to support it but not at all a top 10 need for a new stadium.
Funny talking about Globe Life given they moved out of the old Ranger stadium after ~25 years.
It would be hard to imagine a new stadium without fountains that's for sure I don't know how they will be able to move away from Crown Vision either those are 2 iconic things about the Royals.
I wouldn’t doubt both those elements are brought into the new stadium regardless of budget
Re: Downtown Baseball Stadium
Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2022 11:15 am
by AlkaliAxel
The main reason they may not go hardcore fountains or crown vision is cost. They have that stuff at Kauffman right now because all the entertainment has to be completely within the stadium. But with spin-off entertainment outside the stadium, there isn’t really as much of a need to do things like make crown vision or 59 fountains. Perhaps they keep some fountain, but if they wanna keep the cost manageable so they can build spin-off or speed up the timetable, that’s the way to go.
My guess is nobody in the end will care too much about losing that stuff if the surroundings of the stadium are stellar.
Re: Downtown Baseball Stadium
Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:12 pm
by Anthony_Hugo98
AlkaliAxel wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 11:15 am
The main reason they may not go hardcore fountains or crown vision is cost. They have that stuff at Kauffman right now because all the entertainment has to be completely within the stadium. But with spin-off entertainment outside the stadium, there isn’t really as much of a need to do things like make crown vision or 59 fountains. Perhaps they keep some fountain, but if they wanna keep the cost manageable so they can build spin-off or speed up the timetable, that’s the way to go.
My guess is nobody in the end will care too much about losing that stuff if the surroundings of the stadium are stellar.
You underestimate the metro citizenry and their ability to hold onto everything. A royals stadium without fountains would be blasphemy in their book
Re: Downtown Baseball Stadium
Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:22 pm
by GRID
The new stadium better have a nice fountain system in the outfield. That's culturally part of the Royals. If they can't keep some of the basic things that make the Royals and their stadium "kansas city", then just don't do it. I still fear they will build a super cheap downtown stadium that looks a minor league park or something. Please don't do that.
Re: Downtown Baseball Stadium
Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:29 pm
by KCPowercat
Yeah has to have fountains.
Re: Downtown Baseball Stadium
Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:31 pm
by AlkaliAxel
I’m sure we’ll keep alot of the fountains. Mainly I don’t think you’re getting a big scoreboard, “Little K”, etc…mostly due to cost. And no need for that sort of thing when you’re downtown.
Re: Downtown Baseball Stadium
Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2022 1:08 pm
by GRID
AlkaliAxel wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:31 pm
I’m sure we’ll keep alot of the fountains. Mainly I don’t think you’re getting a big scoreboard, “Little K”, etc…mostly due to cost. And no need for that sort of thing when you’re downtown.
What does the scoreboard have to do with being downtown? A massive scoreboard will be a relatively small part of the budget. All new and re-modeled stadiums have massive scoreboards now.
Re: Downtown Baseball Stadium
Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2022 1:38 pm
by AlkaliAxel
GRID wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 1:08 pm
AlkaliAxel wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:31 pm
I’m sure we’ll keep alot of the fountains. Mainly I don’t think you’re getting a big scoreboard, “Little K”, etc…mostly due to cost. And no need for that sort of thing when you’re downtown.
What does the scoreboard have to do with being downtown? A massive scoreboard will be a relatively small part of the budget. All new and re-modeled stadiums have massive scoreboards now.
Uh you don’t need a scoreboard the size of the K at the new stadium.
Re: Downtown Baseball Stadium
Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2022 1:53 pm
by GRID
I just looked it up. I didn't realize Kauffman's scoreboard was still the largest by far. I tend to agree though. It doesn't have to be "that" big.
Re: Downtown Baseball Stadium
Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2022 2:41 pm
by KCPowercat
But grid is right the scoreboard isn't breaking the budget. That said that's a signature of Kauffman now I don't think the same thing is needed at a new stadium.
Re: Downtown Baseball Stadium
Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2022 3:37 pm
by GRID
KCPowercat wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 2:41 pm
But grid is right the scoreboard isn't breaking the budget. That said that's a signature of Kauffman now I don't think the same thing is needed at a new stadium.
I think building the same scoreboard would make the new stadium look cheesy and dumb. It won't fit with a more urban stadium which is probably what AlkaliAxel is thinking. It can and likely will be a large one, but it doesn't have to be the same shape etc. I'm sure they can design new scoreboard using the crown theme without building another monstrosity scoreboard that overpowers the stadium.
The fountains on the other hand just have to be part of the new stadium. They don't have to be the same as Kauffman, but you have to incorporate fountains into the stadium. And I'm not talking about tossing a fountain onto the side of the stadium just to say they did something like the new KCI terminal is doing. I mean an impressive fountain incorporated into the outfield somehow.
Re: Downtown Baseball Stadium
Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2022 3:38 pm
by AlkaliAxel
KCPowercat wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 2:41 pm
But grid is right the scoreboard isn't breaking the budget. That said that's a signature of Kauffman now I don't think the same thing is needed at a new stadium.
Tbh with you as long as we get the jail site, especially with highrise curling the highway (between stadium & the highway) then I could care less what they do with stadium. I just didn't want stuff like build a giant scoreboard to slow down construction time.
If we land the jail site and get that high rise up towards the highway…then that means you’d be seeing high-rise from literally all angles. Drooling thinking about it.
Re: Downtown Baseball Stadium
Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:14 pm
by KCPowercat
GRID wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 3:37 pm
KCPowercat wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 2:41 pm
But grid is right the scoreboard isn't breaking the budget. That said that's a signature of Kauffman now I don't think the same thing is needed at a new stadium.
I think building the same scoreboard would make the new stadium look cheesy and dumb. It won't fit with a more urban stadium which is probably what AlkaliAxel is thinking. It can and likely will be a large one, but it doesn't have to be the same shape etc. I'm sure they can design new scoreboard using the crown theme without building another monstrosity scoreboard that overpowers the stadium.
The fountains on the other hand just have to be part of the new stadium. They don't have to be the same as Kauffman, but you have to incorporate fountains into the stadium. And I'm not talking about tossing a fountain onto the side of the stadium just to say they did something like the new KCI terminal is doing. I mean an impressive fountain incorporated into the outfield somehow.
Agreed. Leave crownvision behind..
And kci main art piece at the center of the airport is an homage to fountains. It doesn't have to be wet to reflect our city of fountains history
Re: Downtown Baseball Stadium
Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2022 5:23 pm
by GRID
KCPowercat wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:14 pm
GRID wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 3:37 pm
KCPowercat wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 2:41 pm
But grid is right the scoreboard isn't breaking the budget. That said that's a signature of Kauffman now I don't think the same thing is needed at a new stadium.
I think building the same scoreboard would make the new stadium look cheesy and dumb. It won't fit with a more urban stadium which is probably what AlkaliAxel is thinking. It can and likely will be a large one, but it doesn't have to be the same shape etc. I'm sure they can design new scoreboard using the crown theme without building another monstrosity scoreboard that overpowers the stadium.
The fountains on the other hand just have to be part of the new stadium. They don't have to be the same as Kauffman, but you have to incorporate fountains into the stadium. And I'm not talking about tossing a fountain onto the side of the stadium just to say they did something like the new KCI terminal is doing. I mean an impressive fountain incorporated into the outfield somehow.
Agreed. Leave crownvision behind..
And kci main art piece at the center of the airport is an homage to fountains. It doesn't have to be wet to reflect our city of fountains history
The inside art is fine, I just don't think anybody will even see the fountain placed in the side courtyard. Maybe it will be more integrated than I'm thinking.